Keep f***ing doubting Alex Smith

[Hammock Parties]

The title of the thread says it all....

**** you doubters. He plays with heart, and he continues to get the job done. You people who bash Alex, I don't even consider true fans. He plays his heart out every week, and you continue to bash him...

Keep bashing him, I'll keep backing him.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yes. And no. I was responding to the bolded below.

Ok, gotcha.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Reid gave up a lot for Smith. I'm pretty sure he's married to him.

Two second rounders.

That's not a lot.

What did the Redskins give up for Griffin?

What did the Falcons give up for Julio Jones?

Now, that's a lot.

Two second rounders is chump change for a starting QB in his prime that has, at minimum, five productive years left.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Cassel would have found Bowe for at least one TD in the first three quarters, thus obviating the importance of that single third-down play.

Seriously, we can do this all night.

The Chiefs are indeed 3-0, and this is great. Did they achieve this because of Alex Smith or in spite of him?

Sac is a high-quality poster, and far too bright to be acting as obtuse as he's been in response to my posts. Here's the deal, very pointedly:

What Smith has been "accomplishing" the last three weeks isn't very impressive. He doesn't turn it over! He goes through progressions! Forward progress! He allows his defensive playmakers to dominate! Wait, what?

Anyway, my point is that the bar has been ridiculously lowered for what isn't considered mediocre QB play; Trent Green wipes his ****ing ass with Alex Smith's game film thus far this season.

To me, Andy Reid is making a marvelous case for coach of the year. This is where the real difference lies.

Yes. Because thus far, and im not making excuses but please try to understand this sarcastic ass response for what its worth.

I too see the Chiefs oline at that time, I see Tony Gonzalez as well at Alex's disposal.

Actually. This is what I have seen. The Chiefs absolute refusal to run the ball in the first half of Thursdays game. Far too many passes called.

29 passes, to 9 called runs in the first half. Against a defense that was routinely dropping 8 into coverage, and you have Jamaal Charles.

I saw a team that didn't have any of its top 3 tight ends that it hoped to have,, a street free agent and some dude I never heard of in McGrath. I see a slot receiver named McCluster who is short, and terrible, another receiver despite his terrific catch against Jax that has seen the field very little.

And more importantly than that. The right side of the Chiefs oline, especially Fisher, has been down right awful.

The bottom line is that there is a lot of parts that need to be shaped up before you can start to pin point the qb who just happens to be as clutch as can be so far this season, and doesn't turn the ball over at ALL........

[Mav]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

In playing this brand of "mistake-free football," how many mistakes is Smith inadvertently making by being too conservative? Seriously, how can anyone watch the first 3 1/2 quarters of Thursday's game and say, "What issues?"

I think they were pretty transparent.*

*3-0.

None. When you are leading, or in a close game, and you have the chiefs defense, and special teams (Colquitt) you don't have to take chances. As long as every drive ends in a kick, (pat, fg, punt) that means that you are controlling the ball, not letting the other teams offense on the field, not giving them the short field, and usually leading, or close enough.

The offense has to get healthy, and it has to get better in all levels. Qb-receiver trust, blocking, receiving, rushing. Its 3 weeks into the season. I would be more worried as a fan if everything was PERFECT, and I felt I had nothing to work on.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

None. When you are leading, or in a close game, and you have the chiefs defense, and special teams (Colquitt) you don't have to take chances. As long as every drive ends in a kick, (pat, fg, punt) that means that you are controlling the ball, not letting the other teams offense on the field, not giving them the short field, and usually leading, or close enough.

The offense has to get healthy, and it has to get better in all levels. Qb-receiver trust, blocking, receiving, rushing. Its 3 weeks into the season. I would be more worried as a fan if everything was PERFECT, and I felt I had nothing to work on.

Dude, we've seen a version of this movie before, with even better actors than the current cast.

[GloryDayz]

They better not come back and make Todd look smart, or they'll be stuck with him!

[DeezNutz]

Haley was a ****ing train wreck. Embarrassing that we had to argue about this point.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Dude, we've seen a version of this movie before, with even better actors than the current cast.

We will see. The beautiful thing is, and I believe Andy Reid said it. Hes not blind. he knows there is a lot of work to do.

now, being honest with you, I know very little of the Chiefs in the 90's other than Neil Smith, and DT58, but as a whole unit? You guys had better players than now?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

We will see. The beautiful thing is, and I believe Andy Reid said it. Hes not blind. he knows there is a lot of work to do.

now, being honest with you, I know very little of the Chiefs in the 90's other than Neil Smith, and DT58, but as a whole unit? You guys had better players than now?

Defensively, yes. Probably so.

Actually, individually I'm not sure, but as a unit, yeah.

[duncan_idaho]

[QUOTE=Saccopoo;10009703]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

"MORE" like what?

Win a Super Bowl and then you'll finally be happy and say he's okay, but I'd still like a Chiefs QB on my Madden team like Vick in his prime?

Sorry, but I don't get the individualized pessimism from some people around here just because he's not bombing for 500 yards per game.

Jim Harbaugh thought the same way and he's now 1-2 with a QB that was so ultra-dynamic and exciting, but, in reality, has thrown for 150 and 127 yards in consecutive weeks and four Ints to zero TDs. The same reason that the Redskins basically went all in for the next five years on trading up for Griffin and now they are one of the worst teams in the league with a historically bad defense that they won't be able to fix because they've pissed away all their first rounders.

A win is a win.

And in the end that's what matters.

Alex Smith, as a starter, over the last three seasons, is 22-5-1. He was in the NFC Championship game in 2011.

That's winning. I don't know what else you want from an objective, realistic standpoint.

I don't play Madden, either. Also has nothing to do with this.

Yes, a win is a win. And getting them in the regular season is much easier than getting them in the postseason.

I don't need to see Alex Smith win a Super Bowl before I get on the bandwagon. I need to see him step up his game and be more aggressive. That could happen next week, in two weeks, next month, etc.

Sorry, but I don't get the unabashed optimism from some around here. As DeezNutz said, we have seen this movie before. I'm not going to apologize for expecting "Game manager QB, great defense Part 6" to end like the first 5 films.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

We will see. The beautiful thing is, and I believe Andy Reid said it. Hes not blind. he knows there is a lot of work to do.

now, being honest with you, I know very little of the Chiefs in the 90's other than Neil Smith, and DT58, but as a whole unit? You guys had better players than now?

Different era and game. Defensively, the Chiefs put out some monster units in the 90s. I'll let someone else detail the specifics.

And I agree that Reid is a damn good coach. I'm just hopeful that the reports of his love for Smith are much, much over-blown. Otherwise, I'm going to be forced to hate them both.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Different era and game. Defensively, the Chiefs put out some monster units in the 90s. I'll let someone else detail the specifics.

And I agree that Reid is a damn good coach. I'm just hopeful that the reports of his love for Smith are much, much over-blown. Otherwise, I'm going to be forced to hate them both.

If there is no improvement, then I would agree with you. But people to me are far too concerned that an offense that hasn't even played a complete half, much less game of football isn't all world, is a little strange to me. Id at least give it to week 8 if it were me.

That's all im saying. Its not like they don't know things have to be fixed.

[O.city]

[QUOTE=duncan_idaho;10009771]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't play Madden, either. Also has nothing to do with this.

Yes, a win is a win. And getting them in the regular season is much easier than getting them in the postseason.

I don't need to see Alex Smith win a Super Bowl before I get on the bandwagon. I need to see him step up his game and be more aggressive. That could happen next week, in two weeks, next month, etc.

Sorry, but I don't get the unabashed optimism from some around here. As DeezNutz said, we have seen this movie before. I'm not going to apologize for expecting "Game manager QB, great defense Part 6" to end like the first 5 films.

I just don't get how this is anything similar to what we've seen from Marty in the 90's.

It's not as if our QB is leaning on the run game being asked to not **** up.

We're throwing it on average like 38 times per game.

[milkman]

The argument that Matt Cassel was the reason the defense didn't play aggressively last year is complete and utter bull.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by milkman

The argument that Matt Cassel was the reason the defense didn't play aggressively last year is complete and utter bull.

Aggressively? No. Give up and say "**** it"? Oh yes.