Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 18

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

JD10367 · 07-21-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

So what issues did the Owners change unilaterally in the deal?

Probably tried to sneak through some shady clauses, like "backup QBs with nothing to do on the sidelines must perform owner reach-arounds in the luxury box".

Marcellus · 07-21-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sounding more and more like the owners ratified an incomplete and very vague settlement.

If so, the players would be stupid to vote on something that still leaves a lot of issues unsolved.

Probably a smart (albeit risky) move by the owners. The players can't hold out as long as the owners regardless.

Most players will get antsy being so close to getting a deal done and it will get approved.

Look at what has been approved, the salary floor, FA timeline at 4 years etc....

The players have little to complain about.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

we have no evidence that they did anything like that

players have yet to vote but we don't have any idea about why they haven't yet.

mortreportChris Mortensen

RT @BobCrum7: @mortreport so bottom line is... No deal tonight? >> I don't know. Players expressing doubt. May need more negotiations.

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 06:42 PM

So if the players don't agree tonight then the lock out is still on, correct?

this is probably going to take another week or so....

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

So if the players don't agree tonight then the lock out is still on, correct?

this is probably going to take another week or so....

They have to sat at 2pm to take deal cause thats when nfl players can go to there building in the owners deal.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 06:44 PM

LaCalifornia rattling off a laundry list of things that the owners left out of their offer.

Players only agreed to vote on a "global" settlement. Meaning ALL issues are included and agreed upon.

Mr. Laz · 07-21-2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

mortreportChris Mortensen

RT @BobCrum7: @mortreport so bottom line is... No deal tonight? >> I don't know. Players expressing doubt. May need more negotiations.

which doesn't have anything to do with the 'owners unilaterally changing things' in the CBA that the owners voted on.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

which doesn't have anything to do with the 'owners unilaterally changing things' in the CBA that the owners voted on.

It doesn't sound so much like the owners changed positions on certain issues, but left a lot of important issues out of the offer altogether.

The players are not, and should not vote on an incomplete offer.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

which doesn't have anything to do with the 'owners unilaterally changing things' in the CBA that the owners voted on.

Rachel__NicholsRachel Nichols

And this RT @HeathEvans Here is what fans need 2 know: owners tried 2 slip many things into the CBA they voted on that were NEVER agreed to

**the Talking Can** · 07-21-2011, 06:47 PM

goodell and smith have been on the phone repeatedly the last few days...for owners to have changed things at the last minute means that goodell would have basically lied outright to smith...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Rachel__NicholsRachel Nichols

And this RT @HeathEvans Here is what fans need 2 know: owners tried 2 slip many things into the CBA they voted on that were NEVER agreed to

Wow.

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It doesn't sound so much like the owners changed positions on certain issues, but left a lot of important issues out of the offer altogether.

The players are not, and should not vote on an incomplete offer.

Why the **** would the owners do that? Important issues that haven't been negotiated or issues that have been negotiated but left out for some reason?

It did seem kinda odd to me that the owners voted 31-0...like the it was too good to be true.

Rams Fan · 07-21-2011, 06:48 PM

I don't feel happy right now.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 06:49 PM

Jay_GlazerJay Glazer

Players gave owners some counters, didn't hear back regarding them and also didn"t like timeline of re-certifying and enacting certain rules

**the Talking Can** · 07-21-2011, 06:50 PM

so whose bright idea was this?

and how ****ing stupid do you have to be to think they'd just sign it?

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	So if the players don't agree tonight then the lock out is still on, correct? this is probably going to take another week or so.... __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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07-21-2011, 06:44 PM	#261
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2151115	LaCalifornia rattling off a laundry list of things that the owners left out of their offer. Players only agreed to vote on a "global" settlement. Meaning ALL issues are included and agreed upon.
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07-21-2011, 06:47 PM	#265
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9302208	goodell and smith have been on the phone repeatedly the last few days...for owners to have changed things at the last minute means that goodell would have basically lied outright to smith... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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07-21-2011, 06:48 PM	#268
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07-21-2011, 06:50 PM	#270
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9302208	so whose bright idea was this? and how **ing stupid do you have to be to think they'd just sign it? __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"**
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