Chiefs Daboll: Matt Cassel is a winner - Page 18

Hammock Parties · 06-08-2012, 03:39 AM

Holy shit. The propganda machine is churning.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...-new-chiefs-oc

Quote:

Matt Cassel has had an up-and-down three-season run with the Kansas City Chiefs, but new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll believes he inherited a winner at the quarterback position.

Cassel led the New England Patriots to an 11-5 record after Tom Brady wrecked his knee in Week 1 of the 2008 season. He later piloted the Chiefs to a 10-6 mark and an AFC West title in 2010. Cassel has never won a playoff game -- in fact, he played terribly against the Ravens in his only postseason start -- but Daboll sees a player who knows how to lead his team.

"He's been a winner," Daboll told reporters Thursday, according to ESPN.com. "He's had two 10-plus win seasons. I did a study just this offseason about 10-plus-win quarterbacks, which is what you're defined by, obviously. There's been nine of them in the last four years that have had two or more 10-plus win seasons in the regular season, and Matt is one of them.

"The other ones being Brady, (Drew) Brees, (Aaron) Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli (Manning), (Joe) Flacco, (Matt) Ryan, so he's been a winner. He works his tail off in the classroom. I think he's done a good job in these OTAs, and I'm looking forward to working with him."

Daboll finds a creative way to lump Cassel in with a group of the game's best quarterbacks, but he does leave out the big picture. Despite those 10-plus win seasons, Cassel is a pedestrian 28-26 in games he's started overall.

If you really are defined by your record, this seems about right.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-10-2012, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Dave is gonna get some mod abuse if he keeps evading filters.

F.A.G. Is an acronym.

Hammock Parties · 06-10-2012, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

F.A.G. Is an acronym.

It's also a ball bearings company near Springfield.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-10-2012, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fine Uncut Meat

It's also a ball bearings company near Springfield.

I know. Its a German company part of the Schaeffler Group.

I used to work for a company that made some of their products.

Titty Meat · 06-10-2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Dave is gonna get some mod abuse if he keeps evading filters.

Thats cool you give him a warning but automatically suspend others.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk 2

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-10-2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Thats cool you give him a warning but automatically suspend others.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk 2

milkman · 06-10-2012, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Thats cool you give him a warning but automatically suspend others.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk 2

I'm guessing it's fun banning whining little bitches.

Coogs · 06-10-2012, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Those are pretty damning numbers, but to me, the more damning number is the fact that in 39 games as a starter, he has 1 win against teams that had 10 or more wins, against the Dolphins in '08, who finished 11-5 and won the AFC East.

The more I think about your post, the more I think the two sets of stats I posted lead directly to Cassel only having the one victrory over a team with 10 or more wins.

whoman69 · 06-10-2012, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs

The more I think about your post, the more I think the two sets of stats I posted lead directly to Cassel only having the one victrory over a team with 10 or more wins.

He has never beaten a 10 win team in a Chiefs uni. I could care less how good he looked leading a team that went 16-0 the prior season.

Coogs · 06-10-2012, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69

He has never beaten a 10 win team in a Chiefs uni. I could care less how good he looked leading a team that went 16-0 the prior season.

Exactly! Same here.

**RealSNR** · 06-10-2012, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

I know. Its a German company part of the Schaeffler Group.

I used to work for a company that made some of their products.

Yeah! And guess what substance Kumho uses to make their tires!

Mr_Tomahawk · 06-10-2012, 07:41 PM

Just in case...

http://www.foxsportskansascity.com/0...58&feedID=5089

Cassel a 'winner,' but will he win?

The Chiefs have plenty of nice things to say about Matt Cassel -- just nothing too terribly nice. (Christopher Hanewinckel-US PRESSWIRE)

Lordy, you could hear the snickers from Topeka all the way to Laguna Beach. New Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Brian Daboll called Matt Cassel a "winner" the other day. Then he did it two more times, presumably for emphasis.

Presumably.

Regardless, half the city responded by rolling its eyes. The other half groaned.

Now, in his defense, Daboll pointed out that Cassel was one of just nine quarterbacks — Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger chief among them — who have won at least 10 games in a season twice over the last four years.

It's a hell of a stat.

That is, until you read the fine print.

For one, it neglects to consider the fact that, in those other two years, Cassel's record was 8-16. For another, of those nine "winners," just two — Aaron Rodgers and Cassel — also had a losing season on their resume over that time.

And only Cassel had two sub-.500 campaigns under his belt. "Winners" don't go 4-11.

"I think Matt has proven he can get a team to the playoffs and win a division," coach Romeo Crennel said. "He has shown that he can do it. Now it's up to us to get him to do it again."

The message is clear: We've laid out the tools, son. Now go build something.

The past six months have been all about fortifying the foundation, shaving off the excuses, bit by bit. Like most contending NFL rosters — and this one, on paper, is 100 percent bona fide perfectly legit — general manager Scott Pioli has wisely rebuilt at some of the most critical (and oft-injured) positions, toting a quality pair of nearly everything important. The shopping was fruitful; the upgrades roll almost all the way across the board.

Everywhere except, most noticeably, at quarterback. Brady Quinn knows the offense, but his career mark as a starter sits at a less-than-robust 3-9. Ricky Stanzi remains a tantalizing unknown at this level. Alex Tanney is Annie Oakley when it comes to hitting trash cans, but what about living, breathing, running targets?

This fall sets up as a screaming referendum on Cassel, who turned 30 last month, as much as it is on the Chiefs' current front office. They're pushing all their chips on No. 7 in red. You just wonder if they're doing so happily. One minute, Pioli goes on local radio and compares Cassel to Len Dawson, the franchise's gold standard. The next, he admits to chasing Peyton Manning and won't apologize for it. Is it all a bunch of smoke? Or a brilliant psychological ploy?

"If we've got 52 guys every night that go to be a little bit uncomfortable, that are looking forward to that competition the next day," Cassel allowed earlier this spring, "maybe (if it) makes them work out a little bit harder or study the playbook a little bit better, we're going to have a pretty damn good football team."

How good? Well, that remains to be seen. Like the Vikings and Browns, the Chiefs are one of the NFL's great cursed January franchises — over the past two decades, just a solitary signal-caller, the legendary Joe Montana, was able to rise above it and carry them to at least one postseason victory. Cassel, to his credit, has already led them to the party once. You get the sense that, to finally sway the populace, he's going to have to keep them there through at least a round. For better or worse, that's the bar.

So far, the Kansas City ledger shows 18 wins and 21 losses with Cassel behind the wheel. A winner? Sort of. Sometimes. That depends. With Brady and Roethlisberger, you count the rings. With Cassel, you count the qualifiers.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say our man Matt is the quarterbacking version of the protagonist from that old nursery rhyme, The Little Girl With A Curl: When he's good, he's very, very good. And when he isn't, run and duck.

"I know he's a good quarterback," offered cornerback Stanford Routt, who'd squared off against Cassel with the Oakland Raiders before joining the Chiefs in February. "I don't really know about … a lot of the stuff going on about the quarterback (position), or a controversy or anything like that. But he was just fine to me any time I was going against him."

Just fine? Is that good enough?

Hammock Parties · 06-10-2012, 07:52 PM

That's teh same dude who wrote the pro-Stanzi article.

REVEAL YOURSELF, SEAN KEELER

Coogs · 06-10-2012, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

"If we've got 52 guys every night that go to be a little bit uncomfortable, that are looking forward to that competition the next day," Cassel allowed earlier this spring, "maybe (if it) makes them work out a little bit harder or study the playbook a little bit better, we're going to have a pretty damn good football team.". For better or worse, that's the bar.

.....

So far, the Kansas City ledger shows 18 wins and 21 losses with Cassel behind the wheel.

Matt is talking about the other 52 guys needing competition, but not himself?

The bolded part just really pisses me off! Especially the "them" part.

....

And the second part. He has 18 wins and 22 losses. For some damn reason the most important game of his career in KC... the loss to the Ravens... does not count. Just because it was not a regular season game, it is still the most important one on his resume... and it was a loss.

KCBOSS1 · 06-10-2012, 09:20 PM

169.6 yards per game over pro career. Yeah, I would say the spin is on. But what is daboll supposed to say, "yeah, I've got a just below mediocre quarterback."? Honestly I believe that Cassel has earned the right for a full on qb competition with no privilege. He should be the highest paid 3rd string QB in the league IMO. I like the guy and wish the best for him and I think the best is a clipboard.

**Gonzo** · 06-10-2012, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Thats cool you give him a warning but automatically suspend others.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk 2

Oh Billay, you're the Billayest...

06-10-2012, 07:41 PM	#266
Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $1870526	Just in case... http://www.foxsportskansascity.com/0...58&feedID=5089 Cassel a 'winner,' but will he win? The Chiefs have plenty of nice things to say about Matt Cassel -- just nothing too terribly nice. (Christopher Hanewinckel-US PRESSWIRE) Lordy, you could hear the snickers from Topeka all the way to Laguna Beach. New Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Brian Daboll called Matt Cassel a "winner" the other day. Then he did it two more times, presumably for emphasis. Presumably. Regardless, half the city responded by rolling its eyes. The other half groaned. Now, in his defense, Daboll pointed out that Cassel was one of just nine quarterbacks — Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger chief among them — who have won at least 10 games in a season twice over the last four years. It's a hell of a stat. That is, until you read the fine print. For one, it neglects to consider the fact that, in those other two years, Cassel's record was 8-16. For another, of those nine "winners," just two — Aaron Rodgers and Cassel — also had a losing season on their resume over that time. And only Cassel had two sub-.500 campaigns under his belt. "Winners" don't go 4-11. "I think Matt has proven he can get a team to the playoffs and win a division," coach Romeo Crennel said. "He has shown that he can do it. Now it's up to us to get him to do it again." The message is clear: We've laid out the tools, son. Now go build something. The past six months have been all about fortifying the foundation, shaving off the excuses, bit by bit. Like most contending NFL rosters — and this one, on paper, is 100 percent bona fide perfectly legit — general manager Scott Pioli has wisely rebuilt at some of the most critical (and oft-injured) positions, toting a quality pair of nearly everything important. The shopping was fruitful; the upgrades roll almost all the way across the board. Everywhere except, most noticeably, at quarterback. Brady Quinn knows the offense, but his career mark as a starter sits at a less-than-robust 3-9. Ricky Stanzi remains a tantalizing unknown at this level. Alex Tanney is Annie Oakley when it comes to hitting trash cans, but what about living, breathing, running targets? This fall sets up as a screaming referendum on Cassel, who turned 30 last month, as much as it is on the Chiefs' current front office. They're pushing all their chips on No. 7 in red. You just wonder if they're doing so happily. One minute, Pioli goes on local radio and compares Cassel to Len Dawson, the franchise's gold standard. The next, he admits to chasing Peyton Manning and won't apologize for it. Is it all a bunch of smoke? Or a brilliant psychological ploy? "If we've got 52 guys every night that go to be a little bit uncomfortable, that are looking forward to that competition the next day," Cassel allowed earlier this spring, "maybe (if it) makes them work out a little bit harder or study the playbook a little bit better, we're going to have a pretty damn good football team." How good? Well, that remains to be seen. Like the Vikings and Browns, the Chiefs are one of the NFL's great cursed January franchises — over the past two decades, just a solitary signal-caller, the legendary Joe Montana, was able to rise above it and carry them to at least one postseason victory. Cassel, to his credit, has already led them to the party once. You get the sense that, to finally sway the populace, he's going to have to keep them there through at least a round. For better or worse, that's the bar. So far, the Kansas City ledger shows 18 wins and 21 losses with Cassel behind the wheel. A winner? Sort of. Sometimes. That depends. With Brady and Roethlisberger, you count the rings. With Cassel, you count the qualifiers. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say our man Matt is the quarterbacking version of the protagonist from that old nursery rhyme, The Little Girl With A Curl: When he's good, he's very, very good. And when he isn't, run and duck. "I know he's a good quarterback," offered cornerback Stanford Routt, who'd squared off against Cassel with the Oakland Raiders before joining the Chiefs in February. "I don't really know about … a lot of the stuff going on about the quarterback (position), or a controversy or anything like that. But he was just fine to me any time I was going against him." Just fine? Is that good enough? __________________ Adopt-A-Chief: John Dorsey
Posts: 18,454

06-10-2012, 07:52 PM	#267
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $3220478	That's teh same dude who wrote the pro-Stanzi article. REVEAL YOURSELF, SEAN KEELER __________________ Chiefs game films
Posts: 285,863

06-10-2012, 09:20 PM	#269
KCBOSS1 RAISE EM RIGHT Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10005366	169.6 yards per game over pro career. Yeah, I would say the spin is on. But what is daboll supposed to say, "yeah, I've got a just below mediocre quarterback."? Honestly I believe that Cassel has earned the right for a full on qb competition with no privilege. He should be the highest paid 3rd string QB in the league IMO. I like the guy and wish the best for him and I think the best is a clipboard.
Posts: 1,927