Football Should Penn State Get the Death Penalty? - Page 18

**Trivers** · 07-12-2012, 12:14 PM

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/481264...lege_football/

Looks like officials are going from Penn State to state pen. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

What say ye? If so, for how long?

Frazod · 07-14-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

i know you hate RaiderH8er but he's right

you just CAN'T let this pass

I bet if it was your kid you wouldn't want PSU football to get off this easy.

as far as i can see the football program lost a 110 year old figurehead coach in paterno(main loss is recruiting rep) but they aren't going to lose much else.

If the alums step up with big money the entire school is barely going to blink in terms of impact. They are just going to buy their way right out of it.

The main penalty is going to be PR.

I don't hate RaiderH8er, I just think he's an idiot.

As I have said all along, PUNISH THE GUILTY. Everybody complicit in the cover-up should fry. And the punishment I'd mete out to Sandusky would make Marcellus Wallace blush. But I see no reason to punish those who had nothing to do with it.

lcarus · 07-14-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I don't hate RaiderH8er, I just think he's an idiot.

As I have said all along, PUNISH THE GUILTY. Everybody complicit in the cover-up should fry. And the punishment I'd mete out to Sandusky would make Marcellus Wallace blush. But I see no reason to punish those who had nothing to do with it.

Agree 100%.

Mr. Laz · 07-14-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I don't hate RaiderH8er, I just think he's an idiot.

As I have said all along, PUNISH THE GUILTY. Everybody complicit in the cover-up should fry. And the punishment I'd mete out to Sandusky would make Marcellus Wallace blush. But I see no reason to punish those who had nothing to do with it.

so you don't think Kentucky should be punished for recruiting violations etc when Calipari gets caught again and then just bails. I mean Calipari is the guilty one so if he buys Kentucky 2/3 championships and leaves ... it's all good?!?1

Every school can just do whatever they want and then fire the coaches and move on without penalty ...

Worldwide Wes break out your check book!

lcarus · 07-14-2012, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

so you don't think Kentucky should be punished for recruiting violations etc when Calipari gets caught again and then just bails. I mean Calipari is the guilty one so if he buys Kentucky 2/3 championships and leaves ... it's all good?!?1

Every school can just do whatever they want and then fire the coaches and move on without penalty ...

Worldwide Wes break out your check book!

Yeah but that's something that directly affected what happened on the court.

Frazod · 07-14-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

so you don't think Kentucky should be punished for recruiting violations etc when Calipari gets caught again and then just bails. I mean Calipari is the guilty one so if he buys Kentucky 2/3 championships and leaves ... it's all good?!?1

Every school can just do whatever they want and then fire the coaches and move on without penalty ...

Worldwide Wes break out your check book!

I think it's safe to say that Kentucky, as a whole, wanted to win.

I don't think it's safe to say that Penn State, as a whole, wanted to **** little boys.

Mr. Laz · 07-14-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

Yeah but that's something that directly affected what happened on the court.

wow ... so what happens on the court is more important than what happens to little kids in the penn state locker room?

i realize you don't mean that but it's essentially what your doing

tk13 · 07-14-2012, 10:12 PM

That's the scariest part of this... we probably aren't sure we've taken care of all the people who were in on the problem. Certainly they got the molester. They're still going to give Paterno's family the goods though, even though he had the power to stop it. And it's fair to say there's a good chunk of the university and student body that supports Paterno anyway.

Not sure that's really the NCAA's call but all the talk about this is talking about hurting all the innocent people. There are certainly "innocent people" that don't have a problem with what happened as long as they win football games.

Mr. Laz · 07-14-2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I think it's safe to say that Kentucky, as a whole, wanted to win.

I don't think it's safe to say that Penn State, as a whole, wanted to **** little boys.

happened in the school
by school employee
covered up by more school employees for 14 years
president,vice present,athletic director,head coach

seriously ... how much more "school" can you have involved?

or is it intent?

if the entire school didn't intend to cheat to win only Calipari intended to cheat to win?

and let's not just throw away the whole 'principal and example issue' some people just want to ignore

FloridaMan88 · 07-14-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I think it's safe to say that Kentucky, as a whole, wanted to win.

I don't think it's safe to say that Penn State, as a whole, wanted to **** little boys.

Penn State wanted to keep winning and keep things status quo with the football program... they didn't want to rock it with the "inconvenience" of having to out a child rapist among their coaching staff which is why Paterno and the university leadership tried their best to cover up Sandusky's crimes.

Sandusky didn't commit his crimes seperate from the football program. He used his position as a Penn State assistant coach to gain access to these children and committed many of his crimes either on football property or at football-related events such as the Alamo Bowl.

This is exactly why the NCAA should get involved and shut the program down. They need to ensure that the program is scrubbed clean of all ties to the Paterno-era and rebuilt from scratch.

Frazod · 07-14-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

happened in the school
by school employee
covered up by more school employees for 14 years
president,vice present,athletic director,head coach

seriously ... how much more "school" can you have involved

or is it intent?

if the entire school didn't intend to cheat to win only Calipari intended to cheat to win

How the hell do you equate these two things? Cheating to win games and raping children? How do they even belong in the same discussion?

Frazod · 07-14-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50

Penn State wanted to keep winning and keep things status quo with the football program... they didn't want to rock it with the "inconvenience" of having to out a child rapist among their coaching staff which is why Paterno and the university leadership tried their best to cover up Sandusky's crimes.

Sandusky didn't commit his crimes seperate from the football program. He used his position as a Penn State assistant coach to gain access to these children and committed many of his crimes either on football property or at football-related events such as the Alamo Bowl.

This is exactly why the NCAA should get involved and shut the program down. They need to ensure that the program is scrubbed clean of all ties to the Paterno-era and rebuilt from scratch.

Yes, I get that. But when you say "Penn State" you mean a handful of dirtbags at the top. It's not like they put it to a vote of the trustees.

It is sick. It is shameful. But it is NOT the entire school. People in this thread talk about Penn State like it's the ****ing Borg collective. It's not.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-14-2012, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

happened in the school
by school employee
covered up by more school employees for 14 years
president,vice present,athletic director,head coach

seriously ... how much more "school" can you have involved?

or is it intent?

if the entire school didn't intend to cheat to win only Calipari intended to cheat to win?

and let's not just throw away the whole 'principal and example issue' some people just want to ignore

And seriously, how much punishment do you need to create before you say that's enough? If you look at this emotionally, there is no punishment good enough for the sick shit that they enabled. But legal punishments aren't built on emotion. They're built on rationality. And the punishments that are going to happen are extremely harsh and they absolutely will set an example. I can guarantee you Penn State is going to clean their compliance department up and over-comply from here on out. And I can guarantee you other Universities are taking note. And the amount of money and PR hit they'll take from this isn't small potatoes.

But again, from an "example" standpoint, it's laughable to believe that the death penalty sets an example to other college programs. All the death penalty says is that poor behavior isn't poor behavior unless you get caught. Teams are still going to cheat. They are still going to run shoddy compliance programs. The NCAA needs to stop trying to make examples of those they catch and instead work on getting more consistent enforcement of the rules. It makes a joke out of the system if a team like USC or Penn State is flagged for non-compliance when we basically know a program like Kentucky is probably breaking compliance issues left and right and getting away with it.

RaiderH8r · 07-14-2012, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

I think it's safe to say that Kentucky, as a whole, wanted to win.

I don't think it's safe to say that Penn State, as a whole, wanted to **** little boys.

They systemically placed the reputation of the football program and the school ahead of the welfare and well being of children for 14 years. So...

RaiderH8r · 07-14-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And seriously, how much punishment do you need to create before you say that's enough? If you look at this emotionally, there is no punishment good enough for the sick shit that they enabled. But legal punishments aren't built on emotion. They're built on rationality. And the punishments that are going to happen are extremely harsh and they absolutely will set an example. I can guarantee you Penn State is going to clean their compliance department up and over-comply from here on out. And I can guarantee you other Universities are taking note. And the amount of money and PR hit they'll take from this isn't small potatoes.

But again, from an "example" standpoint, it's laughable to believe that the death penalty sets an example to other college programs. All the death penalty says is that poor behavior isn't poor behavior unless you get caught. Teams are still going to cheat. They are still going to run shoddy compliance programs. The NCAA needs to stop trying to make examples of those they catch and instead work on getting more consistent enforcement of the rules. It makes a joke out of the system if a team like USC or Penn State is flagged for non-compliance when we basically know a program like Kentucky is probably breaking compliance issues left and right and getting away with it.

It is perfectly rational for public funds to be withheld from PSU pending the final outcome of the civil and criminal proceedings related to this matter. That's not the death penalty, that's cutting them loose to handle their own business with their own resources. Not a huge logical leap.

tk13 · 07-14-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And seriously, how much punishment do you need to create before you say that's enough? If you look at this emotionally, there is no punishment good enough for the sick shit that they enabled. But legal punishments aren't built on emotion. They're built on rationality. And the punishments that are going to happen are extremely harsh and they absolutely will set an example. I can guarantee you Penn State is going to clean their compliance department up and over-comply from here on out. And I can guarantee you other Universities are taking note. And the amount of money and PR hit they'll take from this isn't small potatoes.

But again, from an "example" standpoint, it's laughable to believe that the death penalty sets an example to other college programs. All the death penalty says is that poor behavior isn't poor behavior unless you get caught. Teams are still going to cheat. They are still going to run shoddy compliance programs. The NCAA needs to stop trying to make examples of those they catch and instead work on getting more consistent enforcement of the rules. It makes a joke out of the system if a team like USC or Penn State is flagged for non-compliance when we basically know a program like Kentucky is probably breaking compliance issues left and right and getting away with it.

Just because everyone else may or may not cheat doesn't mean you should absolve what happened here from punishment. That should have nothing to do with it. You also don't know that this means Penn State will clean up their act. Obviously the child molester that started all of this is gone... but you certainly cannot say the cult-like culture of their program has been fixed.

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