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saphojunkie · 11:59 AM

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Notable dates:

Late Night in the Phog
Oct 1 6:30 PM
Allen Fieldhouse
Students enter at 4:30PM, general public at 5:00 PM

Champions Classic:
Nov 15, 2016 - Madison Square Garden. KU vs. Duke

CBE Hall of Fame Classic:
semis & finals at Sprint Center in KC.
Nov 21 - 22 (early games date & time ).

Armed Forces Classic
Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickham, Hawai`i: Nov. 11 (ESPN)
Indiana vs. Kansas
Arizona vs. Michigan State

BIG 12/SEC CHALLENGE
Kansas vs. Kentucky
Rupp Arena, Lexington, KY
Jan 28, 2017

Let's go get Lucky 13. And a damn National Championship.

sedated · 03-10-2017, 03:54 PM

I'm not sure who is more guilty of this yellow journalism - the Star or KK. Yesterday Jack Harry (I know, I know) was on and this was the discussion I heard for the 5 seconds before I turned it off:

JH: "Self has lost control of his program"

KK: "Quite the opposite, this has shown that Self has ultimate control on that campus. No one - including administration and police department - wants to cross him."

Prison Bitch · 03-10-2017, 08:42 PM

I wonder if Kcconnection's TCU bubble burst

**Lzen** · 03-11-2017, 11:52 AM

http://cjonline.com/sports/hawkzone/...dedly-creating

**Lzen** · 03-11-2017, 11:54 AM

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kee...zie/?c=2606435

Did I mention I hate Kevin Kietzman. **** that little KSU putz.

TambaBerry · 03-11-2017, 12:23 PM

Of course he is, his little princess isn't a very good basketball player so we need to blame someone else for her lack of talent. That's the new American way

Lex Luthor · 03-11-2017, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kee...zie/?c=2606435

Did I mention I hate Kevin Kietzman. **** that little KSU putz.

I don't know why anybody listens to Keitzman. He was tolerable when he first went on the air, but he has been a totally insufferable prick for many years now.

KChiefs1 · 03-12-2017, 01:09 PM

Good read:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...caabasketball/

Kansas’ Formula: Win Big 12, Get a Top Seed, Lose in an Upset

13 Straight Conference Titles and Counting for the Jayhawks

To put Kansas’ title streak into perspective, here is a look at the conference titles won by teams that have reached multiple Final Fours since 2005. Butler, with its five Horizon League titles from 2007-2011, has the next-longest title streak. Duke, Kentucky and Michigan State, combined, have fewer titles than Kansas.

And it’s not as if the Jayhawks have been dominating a weak conference. Since 2005, the Big 12 has an average ranking as the No. 3 R.P.I. conference in the country. Kansas has won the Big 12 despite facing all-American conference opponents such as Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, LaMarcus Aldridge, Marcus Smart and Buddy Hield.

* Shared conference title

Win, Win, and Win Some More

The Jayhawks have averaged 30 wins a season during the streak (including the postseason), despite having to replace their entire starting five three times (2006, 2009, 2014). Bill Self has won the Big 12 every year except his first as Kansas’ coach and has more conference championships, 13, than he does losses at Allen Fieldhouse, 10. Since 2005, the Jayhawks have a 79-38 record against teams ranked in the Top 25, including a 33-15 record against Top 10 teams. Over all, their winning percentage over the past 13 seasons is:

Of the schools with multiple Final Four appearances since 2005, Duke is the only other team whose winning percentage (.808) is above .800. The Jayhawks’ consistent level of success has led to another benchmark: This will be their 28th consecutive appearance in the N.C.A.A. tournament, surpassing the record set by North Carolina from 1975-2001.

Kansas Is Rewarded With More Top Seeds

Despite a loss to Texas Christian in Kansas’ first game in the Big 12 tournament, the Jayhawks are likely be a No. 1 seed in the N.C.A.A. tournament when the bracket is announced on Sunday. Top seeds for Kansas are nearly as common as conference titles. The Jayhawks have been awarded a No. 1 or No. 2 seed in the N.C.A.A. tournament nine times since 2005 (they were also a No. 3 seed twice and a No. 4 seed during that span). Duke is the only other team to have that many top-two seeds over that span. Here are the top seedings of the teams that have been to at least two Final Fours since 2005.

But Upsets Have Plagued the Jayhawks

There are the first-round exits provided by the Killer B’s, Bucknell and Bradley. Northern Iowa’s Ali Farokhmanesh became an N.C.A.A. tournament legend with his late 3-pointer. V.C.U.’s Havoc defense denied Kansas a trip to the Final Four. Against Stanford, Andrew Wiggins played one of the worst games in his one season as a Jayhawk. And Wichita State grabbed the title of best college basketball team in Kansas.

Those losses are among Kansas’ worst in the past 12 tournaments. But there is no shortage of upsets when you look at the Jayhawks’ tournament record. Kansas has a 27-11 record in the tournament since 2005, but has lost to a lower-seeded team nine times, and all of those losses have come before the Final Four. When playing as a higher seed, Kansas has lost 28 percent of the time, the highest percentage of any team to reach multiple Final Fours.

(9) Northern Iowa

Nine Top Seeds, Only Two Final Fours

Being awarded a top seed doesn’t mean much if your team fails to reach the Final Four, and this is where Kansas comes up short. Despite all their top seeds, the Jayhawks have only reached the Final Four twice since 2005. Duke, also with nine top-two seeds, has reached two Final Fours also, but the Blue Devils won the championship both times. Tom Izzo, regarded as one of the best tournament coaches, has taken his Michigan State Spartans to the semifinals four times despite being a top-two seed only three times. Butler, which has never been a top-two seed, reached the Final Four twice, despite having four fewer tournament appearances.

Final Four appearances (since 2005)

Times seeded No.1 or No.2 (since 2005)

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Chiefspants · 03-12-2017, 01:39 PM

Wow, you mean to tell me that a 1 seed in the tourney can't lose to a higher seed?

#3deep5me

Prison Bitch · 03-12-2017, 01:57 PM

People are really bitching up a storm about Dook possibly getting a 1-seed. Does it matter in a sport where the winners are always decided on the court?

**Lzen** · 03-12-2017, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Good read:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...caabasketball/

Kansas’ Formula: Win Big 12, Get a Top Seed, Lose in an Upset

Typical MUron, living for others' failures. I know a few MU fans that are this way. I don't get it. I guess when your program has never sniffed even a Final Four, you only have the sad desire to see your former rival fail.

The article you posted is stupid. Allow me to introduce some logic into the equation.

http://kjhk.org/web/2017/03/06/criti...-overreacting/

Lenz: Critics of Bill Self’s performance in March are overreacting
JARED LENZMARCH 6, 2017
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It is March in a college basketball town, and two things have become a constant around this part of the country.

The Kansas basketball team earning a high seed in the NCAA Tournament, and critics coming together to question whether head coach Bill Self will once again, “choke” in March Madness. I am here to tell you that this is a lazy, feeble-minded narrative.

The NCAA Tournament is considered by many to be the best sporting event the country has to offer for good reason. Fans all across the United States skip school, cut out early from work, and cancel any and all of their plans to make sure they are cemented in front of a television.

Quite literally anything can happen in a single-elimination tournament in which the teams are led by 18-22 year old kids who have yet to come into their own. So many of the games come down to a few possessions late in which a single bounce of the ball can send a team home.

As we continue to progress deeper and deeper into the “one and done” era of college basketball, the parity of the sport has never been greater. With the top level programs constantly dealing with rapid turnover of their rosters, and mid major schools continuing to develop their talent over four years, the top seeds in March are more vulnerable to upsets than ever before.

In the past five years alone, we’ve seen four number 2 seeds go down in the first round (Missouri, Duke, Georgetown, and Michigan State). In the twenty six years prior to 2012, we saw four number 2 seeds *total* get beaten in the first round.

While it may seem like a cop out to blame parity or luck for an early out in March, the fact of the matter is that the best team rarely wins the national title.

Since Bill Self’s first season at Kansas, three out of the thirteen number one overall seeds have gone on to win the whole thing. For all the mathematically challenged people at home, that is 23%. Putting into consideration the nature of the beast that is the tournament, it is irrational and unhealthy to expect deep runs in March every single year for your beloved schools.

Now, if you are one to discount all the factors I just mentioned above and still want to run with the “Bill Self chokes in March” narrative, lets take a closer look at what Kansas has done in the tournament in the Self era compared to the other most successful programs in the sport.

NCAA TOURNAMENT WINS SINCE 2003-2004 (Bill Self’s 1st season at KU)

1. North Carolina: 36

2. Kansas: 30

3. Duke: 30

4. Kentucky: 29

5. Michigan State: 29

6. UConn: 25

7. Louisville: 25

8. UCLA: 19

9. Syracuse: 19

10. Indiana: 8

Yes, you did read that correctly, Kansas has the 2nd most wins in the tournament since Bill Self became the head coach of the Jayhawks.

Self also has more wins and national titles since he began his tenure than the guy everyone will get on their hands and knees for, the king of March, Tom Izzo.

Additionally, when going head to head with North Carolina in the tourney, the only team above Kansas on the list, Bill Self has gone a cool 3-0.

“But Bill Self only has 1 championship and he ALWAYS loses in the first round!!” the critics might shout at the top of their lungs.

There have only been four teams since 2003-2004 to win multiple championships. A very, very small percentage of the teams present in NCAA Division 1 basketball (there are 351). Also, when you compare the amount of times Kansas has been knocked out early with other teams, you will be surprised.

When a team like Kansas loses in the first weekend of the tournament, those losses tend to stick out and become overblown more than even a run to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8.

NCAA TOURNEY STATS AMONGST TEAMS WITH TITLES + THE BLUEBLOODS SINCE 2003-2004
School Elite Eight Appearances Final Four Appearances National Titles First Round Exits
North Carolina 7 4 2 0
Duke 4 3 2 3
Kentucky 6 4 1 1+1 =2*
Kansas 6 2 1 2
Villanova 3 2 1 3
UCLA 3 3 0 2
Indiana 0 0 0 2
Syracuse 3 2 0 2
Louisville 6 3 1 3
Uconn 5 4 3 2
Arizona 4 0 0 3
Michigan State 5 4 0 4
Florida 6 3 2 2

*NOTE: Kentucky only actually has one first round exit in the NCAA Tournament, but when you’re a program of Kentucky’s caliber and you miss the tourney entirely as they did in 2012-13, that should count as a first round exit. Not to mention they lost in the first round of the NIT to Robert Morris. (Never lose to a school that is a name of a person. That’s never a good loss.)

Looking at this data from all of the most successful programs of the past 13 seasons, what teams could you 100% say have had more success in the tournament than Kansas?

North Carolina, Florida, UConn, Duke?

So four teams in the entire country have had more success in the tourney since Bill Self has been the coach at Kansas?

AND PEOPLE STILL WANT TO RUN WITH THE NARRATIVE THAT BILL SELF IS THE CONDUCTOR OF THE CHOKE JOB EXPRESS TRAIN.

When Kansas stacks up adequately to the teams that have had the most success in college basketball in the past 13 seasons, I really do not understand how you could label him as a guy that “cant win when it matters.”

Do Michigan State, Duke, Villanova, and others choke every year in the tournament as well? Because KU’s numbers are very similar to all of those schools.

Every school is going to lose a first round game every once in a while, and every school is going to win a game they shouldn’t win every once in a while.

It’s just how it is, and to expect anything less is ignorant. It’s simply impossible to win a title every single season. Even betting on the best team in the field every year is not a safe wager.

Remember the 2015 Kentucky team that was sent straight down to Earth from the Death Star to eviscerate any and everything in it’s path? One of the most dominant teams in college basketball history, a team who started the season 38-0? Yeah, they still failed to bring home a championship.

So, with all of this in mind, next time you want to throw on your anti-Bill Self super villain costume and attempt to discredit his indisputable greatness, know that you are acting ridiculous.

TambaBerry · 03-12-2017, 02:33 PM

I think the reason people think he chokes is because he creates these great teams consistently something that no other coach in the country has done. Also, the East Coast bias involved. Duke lost to a 15 seed and you never ever hear that brought up.

**Anyong Bluth** · 03-12-2017, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

People are really bitching up a storm about Dook possibly getting a 1-seed. Does it matter in a sport where the winners are always decided on the court?

Yes and no.

Theoretically, they getting the undeserved higher seed, gives them a higher likelihood of advancing. In single elimination, matchups matter as much as seeding. Team A might be almost certain to beat teams B - O, and teams Q - Z. Team P might be a nightmare matchup, and able to present a unique ability to exploit a weakness that Team A is particularly vulnerable to, but most teams don't have the ability to exploit that issue, and not to such an extreme degree as P might.

It's a bit of the rationale behind the proposed idea of letting the #1 overall seed swap out of their original spot on the bracket if they want to.

So, #1 overall is originally seeded #1, in the East. Two different approaches have been presented. First, the #1 overall could swap with any other 1 seed, #1 in the East wants the West region, so they swap, and the #1 overall seed is now in the West.

The 2nd proposal is that they could pick any seed's spot. There are 2 ways they may do this.

So, #1(a) could take over #3(b) seed, for example, and send either :
1. #1(b) or
2. #3(b) to #1(a)'s original region.

If the #1(b) moves regions, then the #3(b) moves to the where #1(b) was originally, and #1(a) takes over the original slot of #3(b).

If the #3(b) moves regions, then the #1(b)stays & #3(b) moves to the where #1(a) was originally. #1(a) takes over the original slot of #3(b).

Their are upsides if you really think that certain matchups are more or less beneficial to advancing. The trade off is perhaps having to face higher seeded competition earlier, but it makes for an interesting debate on moving or not moving, and if you are the #1 overall and don't make it to the Final Four, then fans can argue that not swapping was a mistake, and vice versa, it was dumb not to swap spots because this or that team that beat you when you could have avoided having to play them.

BWillie · 03-12-2017, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

People are really bitching up a storm about Dook possibly getting a 1-seed. Does it matter in a sport where the winners are always decided on the court?

What I don't like about the NCAA Seeding process is that they take into account if a team has an injury. I don't understand why that matters, at all. This is a team game right? They will dock Oregon for losing Boucher, but then give Duke the benefit of the doubt because they played early in the season with some injuries. I think it would JUST be the overall body of work, that is it.

TambaBerry · 03-12-2017, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

What I don't like about the NCAA Seeding process is that they take into account if a team has an injury. I don't understand why that matters, at all. This is a team game right? They will dock Oregon for losing Boucher, but then give Duke the benefit of the doubt because they played early in the season with some injuries. I think it would JUST be the overall body of work, that is it.

If this is really the case than KU should still be the number one overall seed. They never played without Jackson and lost because they self imposed a suspension.

Chiefspants · 03-12-2017, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TambaBerry

I think the reason people think he chokes is because he creates these great teams consistently something that no other coach in the country has done. Also, the East Coast bias involved. Duke lost to a 15 seed and you never ever hear that brought up.

Not to mention that Duke also lost to a 14 seed in that time.

BUT DUKE'S BEEN TO SAME AMOUNT OF FINAL FOURS SINCE 2008 AND WON ONE MORE SO THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY FAR SUPERIOR.

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KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	Good read: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...caabasketball/ Kansas’ Formula: Win Big 12, Get a Top Seed, Lose in an Upset 13 Straight Conference Titles and Counting for the Jayhawks To put Kansas’ title streak into perspective, here is a look at the conference titles won by teams that have reached multiple Final Fours since 2005. Butler, with its five Horizon League titles from 2007-2011, has the next-longest title streak. Duke, Kentucky and Michigan State, combined, have fewer titles than Kansas. And it’s not as if the Jayhawks have been dominating a weak conference. Since 2005, the Big 12 has an average ranking as the No. 3 R.P.I. conference in the country. Kansas has won the Big 12 despite facing all-American conference opponents such as Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, LaMarcus Aldridge, Marcus Smart and Buddy Hield. * Shared conference title Win, Win, and Win Some More The Jayhawks have averaged 30 wins a season during the streak (including the postseason), despite having to replace their entire starting five three times (2006, 2009, 2014). Bill Self has won the Big 12 every year except his first as Kansas’ coach and has more conference championships, 13, than he does losses at Allen Fieldhouse, 10. Since 2005, the Jayhawks have a 79-38 record against teams ranked in the Top 25, including a 33-15 record against Top 10 teams. Over all, their winning percentage over the past 13 seasons is: Of the schools with multiple Final Four appearances since 2005, Duke is the only other team whose winning percentage (.808) is above .800. The Jayhawks’ consistent level of success has led to another benchmark: This will be their 28th consecutive appearance in the N.C.A.A. tournament, surpassing the record set by North Carolina from 1975-2001. Kansas Is Rewarded With More Top Seeds Despite a loss to Texas Christian in Kansas’ first game in the Big 12 tournament, the Jayhawks are likely be a No. 1 seed in the N.C.A.A. tournament when the bracket is announced on Sunday. Top seeds for Kansas are nearly as common as conference titles. The Jayhawks have been awarded a No. 1 or No. 2 seed in the N.C.A.A. tournament nine times since 2005 (they were also a No. 3 seed twice and a No. 4 seed during that span). Duke is the only other team to have that many top-two seeds over that span. Here are the top seedings of the teams that have been to at least two Final Fours since 2005. But Upsets Have Plagued the Jayhawks There are the first-round exits provided by the Killer B’s, Bucknell and Bradley. Northern Iowa’s Ali Farokhmanesh became an N.C.A.A. tournament legend with his late 3-pointer. V.C.U.’s Havoc defense denied Kansas a trip to the Final Four. Against Stanford, Andrew Wiggins played one of the worst games in his one season as a Jayhawk. And Wichita State grabbed the title of best college basketball team in Kansas. Those losses are among Kansas’ worst in the past 12 tournaments. But there is no shortage of upsets when you look at the Jayhawks’ tournament record. Kansas has a 27-11 record in the tournament since 2005, but has lost to a lower-seeded team nine times, and all of those losses have come before the Final Four. When playing as a higher seed, Kansas has lost 28 percent of the time, the highest percentage of any team to reach multiple Final Fours. (9) Northern Iowa Nine Top Seeds, Only Two Final Fours Being awarded a top seed doesn’t mean much if your team fails to reach the Final Four, and this is where Kansas comes up short. Despite all their top seeds, the Jayhawks have only reached the Final Four twice since 2005. Duke, also with nine top-two seeds, has reached two Final Fours also, but the Blue Devils won the championship both times. Tom Izzo, regarded as one of the best tournament coaches, has taken his Michigan State Spartans to the semifinals four times despite being a top-two seed only three times. Butler, which has never been a top-two seed, reached the Final Four twice, despite having four fewer tournament appearances. Final Four appearances (since 2005) Times seeded No.1 or No.2 (since 2005) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________
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