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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

Adept Havelock · 03-14-2008, 10:26 AM

Two more literary tie ins:

The book Zoe Bell (Regina?) was reading upside-down:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sur...the_Chancellor

The freighter Kahana is commanded by Captain Gault:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Gault

**Baby Lee** · 03-14-2008, 10:58 AM

So, Minkowski apparently dies of nosebleed inducing county fair past confusion, Regina jumps in the Ocean wraps in chains, someone appears to projected their brain matter onto the wall of a room in the quiet part of the ship [that shouldn't be there], and there's an axe embedded in an exterior wall of the ship, oh, and problems in the kitchen.

That's a lotta drama for a ship the size of a modest residence. Who knows, maybe being so close to the 'time rift storm thingy' has these crewmembers feeling like they've been there for an eternity.

That, or maybe they're trying and failing to kill themselves over and over. Just realized their actions had a 'Groundhog Day' vibe, the part where Bill kept trying to kill himself, just to end back up in bed at the inn.

Chiefnj2 · 03-14-2008, 11:03 AM

It looks like Michael has been ordered to make sure the ship doesn't move so the Island can use its mojo to drive everyone crazy and disappear.

irishjayhawk · 03-15-2008, 05:18 PM

Was reading a post on Phog.net's boards by Hoopo:

Quote:

The first was when Abrams joined the series, his creative input was to give Season 1 a defining mystery: The Hatch was his idea. So everything built around arriving at the open Swan hatch at the end of Season 1, with the mystery solved in the Season 2 opener. So we got this funny Scotsman who was a bit wiggy from being trapped inside there for so long. Season 2's arc was, well, what do we do with this new guy and this new setting? The answer was to write Desmond off the island and trap one of the dangerous Others who'd been attacking both the fuselage and tail section survivors. But a funny thing happened then to the storyline: people LOVED Henry Gale. So instead of his six episode arc, culminating with his demise, he became the Mad Dictator leader of the Others, supplanting the role Tom Friendly had previously occupied, and got a new name, Ben Linus.

Then they had to decide what the Others were REALLY up to. So the end of the series was plotted out right there, in terms of the characters. Then they decided what to do with this Hatch that made the series a little to, well, silly and convenient, with everybody getting fresh showers and shaves and plenty of packaged food to eat. So they had to get rid of the Hatch, but keep some of it's convenience in some other hatches around the island. So we got the Pearl, the Arrow, the Staff, the Hydra and the Looking Glass stations. But to get rid of the Swan hatch, something SUPER COOL had to happen. Thus the popular Scot came back, claimed to be unable to leave via the yacht, and the purple sky Discharge happened. Here's where the show started to wobble on the tracks.

What happened to the four guys inside the Swan? Eko was unconcious and dragged away by a polar bear. Charlie was stricken with amnesia of the event. Locke was muted. And Desmond, well, Desmond became an unwitting Dr. Who but unable to control his powers. And what's with that Ben Linus guy? Then we got another Strong Woman character to solve the Jack-Kate-Sawyer triangle, Juliet. What's SHE up to? Well, the pregnancy issue. Why is Ben so evil? Well, we gotta go down that road too.

So the core of the show -- Jack, Kate, Locke and Sawyer -- got a total of about 70, instead of 90, percent of the show's focus, which was a shift away from the first season. The secondary characters like Sayid, Jin, Sun, Charlie and Hurley, they were even further marginalized. And the tertiary supporting players, Rose, Bernard, Vincent and Claire, well, they might as well have been written completely off the show like Michael and Walt were. (And Ana, Libby, Eko, Shannon and Boone, ftm.)

Now Season 4 begins with a lot of ground to make up in a short time. So we get these frankly boring chapters of the series that promise to buttress the overall story and eliminate some of the non-core characters (sorry Charlie, Jin). So Ji Yeon shows that Sun survives and has her baby, yay, and poor Jin gets 86'd (or at least we're led to think this). Ben has the hots for Juliet and that's part of his evil. Locke has remarkably become completely uninteresting. And oh yeah, the off-island forces are finally maneuvering like a big lumbering ship to manipulate events and keep Ben interesting. And we get Michael back, further adding to the enormous cast and reducing screentime for the best characters, like Sawyer, who's significant contribution to the season so far was to imitate ButtCheese on the make.

Worst of all so far is that these new people mostly suck. Daniel is interesting, but mainly because he's an eccentric and very easy to be amused by. Charlotte, Frank, Miles, Keamy, Omar, Minkowski, Regina, the doctor -- these characters just suck. Charles Widmore remains cool, but his total screentime this season is likely already over.

Meanwhile the major questions are not being answered or even referred to much. We did get a few Whispers which was nice, and Hurley had a vision of Jacob's shack with an effigy of Jack's dad inside. No Monster, no Richard, no Danielle (worth mentioning), no Alex & Karl, no Walt, no Vincent.

And there's these careless inconsistencies, like Claire smiling and happily doing laundry two days after she learns of Charlie's death. And worse than the inconsistencies is that the seemingly cool Flash Forwards aren't adding up to much other than a weekly WTF? and not in a fun way.

The primary character in the series all along has been THE ISLAND itself. So far this season we've learned precious little new stuff about it, after seven episodes. You can count the new things we've learned on one hand practically: the time anomaly/anomalies, the Tempest station...I'm sure there's more but I honestly can't think of any right now. Which is inexcusable this far into what SHOUD'VE been a watershed season that saw increasing viewership. Instead, LOST went from almost 16 million viewers for The Beginning of the End to barely getting 11 million for Ji Yeon. That's a 5 million viewer wash-out and I can't say I blame any of the viewers who have given up on LOST. The show is losing itself.

Spot on, in my opinion, but I have 3+ seasons so I have nothing else to give but hope.

keg in kc · 03-15-2008, 06:05 PM

Another example of how people can see the same things from such different angles. I know what that blogger's saying, but even so, for me this has been the best season of them all, including a couple of the series' best single episodes.

**Rausch** · 03-15-2008, 09:02 PM

In case anyone hasn't found it yet this is by far the most thorough and well done lost site I've seen...

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

Screen caps, theories, transcripts and mp3's of all the "whispers" on the island. You name it, it's on there somewhere...

teedubya · 03-16-2008, 02:19 AM

Next week is the last episode of this 8.

The remaining 5, will show in late April and May... here is a couple videos from next weeks episodes

Here are 2 sneak peeks that I have "obtained" for your viewing pleasure

SithCeNtZ · 03-16-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Another example of how people can see the same things from such different angles. I know what that blogger's saying, but even so, for me this has been the best season of them all, including a couple of the series' best single episodes.

I agree with you. I think the show has just become a victim of it's own success. It seems like everyone wants every episode to be like last year's season finale and if it doesn't throw some sort of huge curveball or have some major plot revelation then it is a dissappointment. I think we have gotten alot from the show this season. We(probably) know who owns the ship off the shore, some of the properties of the "magnetic field" that surrounds the island, we know all of the people who officially make it off the island, we know that there are many people looking for the island, we know there is something that happens when they leave the island that causes Jack to want to go back and Sayid to want to kill to defend it....all in just 7 episodes. That is way more stuff revealed than in any 7 episode stretch in the past 3 seasons.

Are Jack, Kate etc not getting enough screen time? Maybe, but did we really think the plot was going to be able to unfold with only the losties? To me it seems reasonable to have a ton of characters to have to explain an extremely complex plot. I don't see how you get one without the other. Has some of it been made up as we go along? Sure, but other than the Nikki/Paulo debacle that ended with them getting buried alive, all of the characters have had a point and are important to the plot. Even the 4 people from the boat just this season are all advancing the plot and answering things like Daniel and Desmond's visions. I know I get frustrated with the show sometimes when a seemingly unimportant episode comes and goes, but at the end of the day I'm pretty happy with the pace of it. Just think about how far we have come since watching them open the hatch. Alot has happened in 2 and a half seasons, and I think people have forgotten that and are only looking ahead to the next big thing. I bet after next weeks episode which promises to be great that everyone will be right back on board with the show, just like the end of last season. Patience is key.

**Baby Lee** · 03-16-2008, 10:06 AM

I read an interesting perspective on the last episode on DarkUFO.

How landing on the island gave Jin and Sun;

the setting for Jin to become a different, better, man,
the setting where Jin and Sun could conceive a child,
and Sun getting off the island makes her one of the few, perhaps the only, to conceive on the island and carry a child to term.
Now, whether Jin is actually dead or not, a better version of him will live on.

Mr. Plow · 03-19-2008, 11:50 AM

I love the show. I'm glad I've got all you guys on here to help explain some of this to me. I can't remember what happened an hour ago let alone 2 season ago.

keg in kc · 03-20-2008, 08:06 PM

That episode absolutely sucked.

Mama Hip Rockets · 03-20-2008, 08:15 PM

what an awesome episode. when is the next one?

keg in kc · 03-20-2008, 08:25 PM

No new episodes until April 24.

Frazod · 03-20-2008, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

That episode absolutely sucked.

???

I loved it. This season has ruled.

I hate Michael. He needs to die almost as much as Ben. But it's good to have his weasel ass back on the show.

Chiefnj2 · 03-20-2008, 09:08 PM

Not bad.

The island has power back on the main land even stronger than "visions" of those that died.

Ben set up Karl and Rouseau and confirms he is evil.

The Chinese guy didn't deny that their orders are to kill everyone on the island after Ben is handed over. That and the machine gun trapshooting means the only "innocent" people are on the island and that nobody else, except perhaps for the island itself, is to be trusted.

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03-14-2008, 10:26 AM	#2761
Adept Havelock Obligatory Thoughtcriminal Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Flux,awaiting an observer Casino cash: $10004900	Two more literary tie ins: The book Zoe Bell (Regina?) was reading upside-down: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sur...the_Chancellor The freighter Kahana is commanded by Captain Gault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Gault __________________ No matter how cynical you are, it is impossible to keep up. -Lily Tomlin I'd rather be a climbing monkey than a falling angel. -Terry Pratchett
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03-14-2008, 10:58 AM	#2762
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	So, Minkowski apparently dies of nosebleed inducing county fair past confusion, Regina jumps in the Ocean wraps in chains, someone appears to projected their brain matter onto the wall of a room in the quiet part of the ship [that shouldn't be there], and there's an axe embedded in an exterior wall of the ship, oh, and problems in the kitchen. That's a lotta drama for a ship the size of a modest residence. Who knows, maybe being so close to the 'time rift storm thingy' has these crewmembers feeling like they've been there for an eternity. That, or maybe they're trying and failing to kill themselves over and over. Just realized their actions had a 'Groundhog Day' vibe, the part where Bill kept trying to kill himself, just to end back up in bed at the inn. __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W. Last edited by Baby Lee; 03-14-2008 at 11:07 AM..
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03-14-2008, 11:03 AM	#2763
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7823688	It looks like Michael has been ordered to make sure the ship doesn't move so the Island can use its mojo to drive everyone crazy and disappear. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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03-15-2008, 06:05 PM	#2765
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Another example of how people can see the same things from such different angles. I know what that blogger's saying, but even so, for me this has been the best season of them all, including a couple of the series' best single episodes.
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03-16-2008, 02:19 AM	#2767
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9470002	Next week is the last episode of this 8. The remaining 5, will show in late April and May... here is a couple videos from next weeks episodes Here are 2 sneak peeks that I have "obtained" for your viewing pleasure
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03-16-2008, 10:06 AM	#2769
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	I read an interesting perspective on the last episode on DarkUFO. How landing on the island gave Jin and Sun; the setting for Jin to become a different, better, man, the setting where Jin and Sun could conceive a child, and Sun getting off the island makes her one of the few, perhaps the only, to conceive on the island and carry a child to term. Now, whether Jin is actually dead or not, a better version of him will live on. __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W.
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03-19-2008, 11:50 AM	#2770
Mr. Plow In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $1747391	I love the show. I'm glad I've got all you guys on here to help explain some of this to me. I can't remember what happened an hour ago let alone 2 season ago.
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03-20-2008, 08:06 PM	#2771
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	That episode absolutely sucked.
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03-20-2008, 08:15 PM	#2772
Mama Hip Rockets You don't faze me, Gobble. Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $10005644	what an awesome episode. when is the next one?
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03-20-2008, 08:25 PM	#2773
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	No new episodes until April 24.
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03-20-2008, 09:08 PM	#2775
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7823688	Not bad. The island has power back on the main land even stronger than "visions" of those that died. Ben set up Karl and Rouseau and confirms he is evil. The Chinese guy didn't deny that their orders are to kill everyone on the island after Ben is handed over. That and the machine gun trapshooting means the only "innocent" people are on the island and that nobody else, except perhaps for the island itself, is to be trusted. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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