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*** Official 2017 Royals Repository ***

Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 06-24-2017, 04:23 PM   #2776
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We've been playing against a stacked deck this year from Umps. PitchFx data shows how many missed ball/strike calls there are. Look at Cleveland and then look at us:

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Part of that is catchers who can frame vs Salvy.

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Well we need a DH more than anything. Yes more than bullpen help. Herrera has improved. He is fourth in the AL in saves. Minor has been really good and even Moylan has improved significantly since his abortion of a beginning of the season.
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We're not gonna have the Borge in the bullpen. That was a once in a decade bullpen. We have been so spoiled. Our bullpen is Nationals like but it's not all the bad honestly
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American League Holds the Key to 2017 MLB Trade-Deadline Chaos

The Kansas City Royals have the trade chips. But what about the desire to cash in?

There's going to be action at Major League Baseball's July 31 trade deadline. It's the trade deadline. That's what it's there for.

How much action, however, is up to the American League.

With the 2017 season now nearly three months old, it's easy to see which teams will obviously be buyers and which will be sellers.

What's more interesting are the tough-to-tell clubs. Dave Cameron of FanGraphs crunched the numbers and identified 12 of those. That's a solid chunk. And of the bunch, nine are AL clubs.

That shouldn't surprise anyone. Seen the AL lately? It's a humdinger. Not every team is in the race, but no team is out of the race. Even the Oakland A's, the worst of the worst, are only six games out of a playoff spot going into Friday.

The A's are likely to be a seller anyway, mind you. That's good for teams that would love to add Sonny Gray to their starting rotation.

The Chicago White Sox are another sure-to-be seller. That's good for teams that would love to have David Robertson, Jose Quintana, Todd Frazier and/or Melky Cabrera.

But for those nine teams of interest, who knows? And that goes double for a select few in particular.

The Toronto Blue Jays could get a haul for Josh Donaldson. If they want to.

Hint: it's not the Baltimore Orioles, Minnesota Twins, Detroit Tigers, Seattle Mariners or Los Angeles Angels.

The Orioles aren't in a rebuilding position and don't have much in the way of trade chips anyway. The Twins are kinda-sorta still working on a rebuild and are also lacking in trade chips. The Tigers, Mariners and Angels are each in contention mode and saddled with tough-to-move contracts to boot.

Maybe these teams won't be buyers, but they're probably not going to be sellers either.

The other four teams may not be buyers either. Where they differ is that they could be sellers. Even big-time sellers.

But only if they want to.

Start in Toronto, where the Blue Jays (35-37) are struggling to escape the depths of the AL East. There was an argument for them to start rebuilding over the winter. With both the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees built for the long haul, there's even more of an argument for that now.

That would be an excuse for the Blue Jays to cash in rentals such as starters Francisco Liriano and Marco Estrada and reliever Joe Smith. And possibly even slugging right fielder Jose Bautista, who has options for 2018 and 2019, and MVP third baseman Josh Donaldson, who's only controlled through 2018.

But for now, general manager Ross Atkins is putting up a stone wall.

"We're focused on adding and winning," he said in late May, per Rob Longley of the Toronto Sun. "We're focused on what's the best thing for us sustaining a championship organization and environment."

Move on to Tampa Bay, where the Rays (39-36) are having a good season. But perhaps more than any team, they must be pragmatic. In this case, that could mean giving in to what's sure to be ravenous demand for their pitchers.

Everyone would love to have Chris Archer. Alex Cobb and Jake Odorizzi are also attractive targets. Alex Colome, a largely unheralded relief ace, is yet another.

But they're also a "nope" for now. Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports reported last week they're not looking to sell.

On to Kansas City, then. The Royals (36-36) barely resemble the team that went to the World Series in 2014 and won it in 2015. With Eric Hosmer, Mike Moustakas, Lorenzo Cain, Jason Vargas and Alcides Escobar ticketed for free agency after this season and Kelvin Herrera set to follow after 2018, they're loaded with tradeable assets that could kickstart a rebuild.

But 2017 is a last hurrah for the Royals, and it could be going a lot worse. They're still within reach of the AL Central lead and even closer to a wild-card spot.

"Word going around is that they'd love to see 'if they have one more run in them,'" Heyman reported earlier in June.

Yu Darvish could be the prized possession of the summer trade season.

Lastly, on to Texas. The Rangers (36-37) don't have the quantity of trade chips the other three teams have. But what they do have is the single best trade chip: Yu Darvish.

The right-hander is having another strong season with a 3.35 ERA in 15 starts. He's also set to be a free agent. If he were to be made available, he would be easily the most attractive rental pitcher on the market.

But here's this from Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports: "One thing, sources said, is clear: [Darvish] is very likely to end the season in a Rangers uniform, even if they do fall out of contention by the trade deadline, which, with the American League the postseason sardine can it is, seems unlikely."

It's possible the tea leaves for these four clubs are way off. You're not listening to a negotiation expert, but it's generally not a good idea to appear desperate to sell wares that others are willing to buy. They could be using the ol' smokescreen.

However, it's at least equally possible there's something to these reports.

The AL postseason race has hardly left these teams behind. Chasing a wild-card berth means chasing only one guaranteed playoff game, sure. But that beats no playoff games. Besides, two of the AL's three division leads aren't secure.

Even if they don't make any additions in the coming weeks, that could prove to be good news for the Blue Jays, Rays and Royals.

If these teams do decide against selling at the trade deadline, it won't cause the whole thing to collapse into a great, big cloud of boring. Again, there will be action.

It just might be underwhelming.

Even if Gray and Quintana are made available, their value may not be high enough for the A's and White Sox to give up on the controllability they have left. That would punt primary selling responsibilities to National League clubs, and there's just not a lot of assets there.

The Philadelphia Phillies, San Diego Padres, Cincinnati Reds and Atlanta Braves have already sold off many star assets as part of protracted rebuilds.

The Pittsburgh Pirates have Andrew McCutchen and Gerrit Cole, but they don't need to be in a hurry to deal either.

The New York Mets are having a bad year, but they may be locked into contention mode. The San Francisco Giants are also having an awful year, yet they are still built to contend over the long haul.

The Miami Marlins probably should go into a rebuilding phase, and they could stock up if they dealt Christian Yelich, Marcell Ozuna and (gasp!) Giancarlo Stanton. But with owner Jeffrey Loria trying to sell the team, Heyman reports the Marlins are believed to be "in limbo" with big-time trades.

So, what happens over the next few weeks will be important.

There's not a whole lot of clarity in the American League right now.

If more clarity comes and it's kind to the Blue Jays, Rays, Royals and Rangers, the trade deadline could land with a thud.

If it's of the unkind variety, however, it should be a wild one pennant chase.

Data courtesy of Baseball Reference. Contract info courtesy of Cot's Baseball Contracts.

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