Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

How can you use this as logic when he has been top 3 in the league the last two seasons.

You have a point there. Touche. I watched him check down and throw short on 3rd & long so often, I had brain fade.

You better keep an eye on this -- it could be a new trend now that Alex is being asked to pass more and, you know, actually help carry a team.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What are guys with goofy haircuts, Alex?

Possibly. I'm still looking for a way to relate them.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

It is incredible that, the Browns and Lions have never PLAYED IN a super bowl. Brutal. At least the Texans have the excuse that they are a fairly new team.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Of course, you as a Marty Schottenheimer guy would feel some of my pain im sure.

Which, begs the question. Why do you find it odd that I followed Alex Smith, yet you followed Marty. If I may ask.

Both guys never having played, or coached a super bowl that is.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They all lost in Week One, yet they're considered "Gun Slingers".

There isn't "One Way" to win in the NFL.

Rivers had 194 yards passing last night in a loss but he's considered, at least on Chiefsplanet, to be "superior" to Alex Smith.

The bottom line is that Smith's abilities are a perfect fit for Reid's WCO. Whether they reach the ultimate goal is yet to be seen. But I can't fault Reid and Dorsey for getting "their guy", who to date, looks to be the same exact guy from 2011 and 2012, not the guy from 2005.

There is so much sense in this post Dane. But then again you are using intelligence and logic on an audience where this appears to be over the head of some.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Thanks for pointing that out.

Of course, you as a Marty Schottenheimer guy would feel some of my pain im sure.

Which, begs the question. Why do you find it odd that I followed Alex Smith, yet you followed Marty. If I may ask.

Both guys never having played, or coached a super bowl that is.

Raiders fan from '74 to '80.

Niners fan from '81 to present.

(The Raiders left me by moving to LA - I didn't leave them!)

No team or player has ever caused me any pain but my favorite team and their players & coaches. My pain stemmed from the Steel Curtain and the Cowboys dynasty.

Marty is FAR from the only HC I liked and paid attention to.

It would be a stretch to say I "followed" Marty Schottenheimer anywhere. It is one thing to be intrigued by the progress and workings of a head coach. It is another to defend his ever move on every sports forum I log onto. I hope you can see the difference.

I liked Marty Schottenheimer. I liked Jon Gruden too & paid attention in Tampa Bay. I liked & read up on Joe Gibbs even through I hated the Redskins. I liked Dick Vermeil. I liked Holmgren and Fisher and Flores and Reeves.

There are just some coaches I liked and paid attention to over the years. Marty was just one.

As a 49ers fan, nobody beats Walsh or comes close to him, so there is that too.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

There is so much sense in this post Dane. But then again you are using intelligence and logic on an audience where this appears to be over the head of some.

Translation: I agree with your point so I'm going to kiss your ass.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Raiders fan from '74 to '80.

Niners fan from '81 to present.

(The Raiders left me by moving to LA - I didn't leave them!)

No team or player has ever caused me any pain but my favorite team and their players & coaches. My pain stemmed from the Steel Curtain and the Cowboys dynasty.

Marty is FAR from the only HC I liked and paid attention to.

It would be a stretch to say I "followed" Marty Schottenheimer anywhere. It is one thing to be intrigued by the progress and workings of a head coach. It is another to defend his ever move on every sports forum I log onto. I hope you can see the difference.

I liked Marty Schottenheimer. I liked Jon Gruden too & paid attention in Tampa Bay. I liked & read up on Joe Gibbs even through I hated the Redskins. I liked Dick Vermeil. I liked Holmgren and Fisher and Flores and Reeves.

There are just some coaches I liked and paid attention to over the years. Marty was just one.

As a 49ers fan, nobody beats Walsh or comes close to him, so there is that too.

Hmmmm....Maybe you could take your own advice. As you can see on this forum, compare me to other Alex Smith defenders. If you look really closely, and past your bias and perhaps go do a little research on your own forum, you will see you have had me wrong the entire time.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They all lost in Week One, yet they're considered "Gun Slingers".

There isn't "One Way" to win in the NFL.

Rivers had 194 yards passing last night in a loss but he's considered, at least on Chiefsplanet, to be "superior" to Alex Smith.

The bottom line is that Smith's abilities are a perfect fit for Reid's WCO. Whether they reach the ultimate goal is yet to be seen. But I can't fault Reid and Dorsey for getting "their guy", who to date, looks to be the same exact guy from 2011 and 2012, not the guy from 2005.

When you say "perfect fit", I'm sure you mean out of those readily available in the spring of 2013. I realize you know Alex Smith is not the ideal NFL QB and it is not as though Brady or Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Flacco, Eli or Luck couldn't run Andy's WCO, and do it far better than Alex Smith.

Call me super sensitive.

I spent a couple of years arguing with people who said Alex Smith was "perfect" for Jim Harbaugh's WCO and that Jim wanted a "run first" balanced offense and had no desire to put up fantasy football passing numbers.

Kaepernick's 412 yard game disproves that theory completely. Every HC want the best QB he can get. Andy would love somebody like Brady who could run his WCO and give him far more options to expand it as well.

Just putting the "perfect fit" in context. I suffered through hearing it used literally for 2 years. Alex is a good fit of what was available. I'm sure Andy would drop Alex unceremoniously for Peyton or Brees.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They all lost in Week One, yet they're considered "Gun Slingers".

There isn't "One Way" to win in the NFL.

Rivers had 194 yards passing last night in a loss but he's considered, at least on Chiefsplanet, to be "superior" to Alex Smith.

The bottom line is that Smith's abilities are a perfect fit for Reid's WCO. Whether they reach the ultimate goal is yet to be seen. But I can't fault Reid and Dorsey for getting "their guy", who to date, looks to be the same exact guy from 2011 and 2012, not the guy from 2005.

I'd rather have Smith than Rivers, but that's beside the point.

The issue at hand isn't whether or not Alex Smith can be efficient and productive like he was for the past 1.5 seasons. Even the haters recognize that it's very likely he'll be just as good as he was in San Francisco, and perhaps even a notch better. It's whether or not Alex Smith can keep up his completion percentage and efficiency while attempting more critical strikes when the situation calls for them. I'm fully aware that during the Jacksonville game there never arose the demand for challenging the safeties deep, or attempting the 20-yard strike to Bowe instead of the 5-yard slant to McCluster. I'm just saying... Alex Smith typically has never been defined as a QB who will take those risks, even though he absolutely has the ability to convert them.

Also, you're right (again) that there's no one way to play QB or draft a team or build a champion in the league. But there's the typical way that defines most Super Bowl champions. I don't think we've had a non-gunslinger win a Super Bowl since the 2004 version of Tom Brady, and even then he was willing to step on the gas far more than the current version of Alex Smith. Same goes for Brad Johnson. If we want a QB below that, we'd have to go back to Dilfer.

I already said that Alex has a chance to change his habits, particularly as KC improves to the point of being a playoff team in the next 1-3 seasons. But just because he's in a good position with Reid doesn't mean it should be assumed he'll BE that guy. Again, looking back to his history as a starting QB, he's NOT.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

When you say "perfect fit", I'm sure you mean out of those readily available in the spring of 2013. I realize you know Alex Smith is not the ideal NFL QB and it is not as though Brady or Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Flacco, Eli or Luck couldn't run Andy's WCO, and do it far better than Alex Smith.

Call me super sensitive.

I spent a couple of years arguing with people who said Alex Smith was "perfect" for Jim Harbaugh's WCO and that Jim wanted a "run first" balanced offense and had no desire to put up fantasy football passing numbers.

Kaepernick's 412 yard game disproves that theory completely. Every HC want the best QB he can get. Andy would love somebody like Brady who could run his WCO and give him far more options to expand it as well.

Just putting the "perfect fit" in context. I suffered through hearing it used literally for 2 years. Alex is a good fit of what was available. I'm sure Andy would drop Alex unceremoniously for Peyton or Brees.

Yeah, I guess that's while still having McNabb in 04 he really liked him then, tried to trade for him with Vick still there, and went out and got him this year.

im sure he agrees with you whole heartedly.

Your assessment that he isn't even a good qb, is what is laughable to me.

You look at embarrassing qb situations right now.

Tennessee, Vikings, Jags, Tampa Bay, Oakland, you think those teams wouldn't love to have Alex Smith over what they have?

You are kidding yourself.

Alex Smith is not elite. Obviously, but hes not the dog shit you have tried for years to make him out to be. And obviously, your love of Kap and his boss performance reinforces that notion. Im sure you have had a blast shoving that down anyone who respects alex smiths throat this week.

I can almost read your posts verbatim without even looked on the 49ers site.

"See, all you have to do is trust JIM. JIM KNOWS A GREAT QB WHEN HE SEES ONE. He knew Alex didn't have a 1/1000th of the skill that Kap does. All of you Alex Smith lovers should shut up, and worship Kap and Jim."

Gotta be pretty damn close.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Translation: I agree with your point so I'm going to kiss your ass.

Nice, keg! What a logical and well-constructed post that uses science, evidence, and empirical reasoning!

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Raiders fan from '74 to '80.

Niners fan from '81 to present.

(The Raiders left me by moving to LA - I didn't leave them!)

No team or player has ever caused me any pain but my favorite team and their players & coaches. My pain stemmed from the Steel Curtain and the Cowboys dynasty.

Marty is FAR from the only HC I liked and paid attention to.

It would be a stretch to say I "followed" Marty Schottenheimer anywhere. It is one thing to be intrigued by the progress and workings of a head coach. It is another to defend his ever move on every sports forum I log onto. I hope you can see the difference.

I liked Marty Schottenheimer. I liked Jon Gruden too & paid attention in Tampa Bay. I liked & read up on Joe Gibbs even through I hated the Redskins. I liked Dick Vermeil. I liked Holmgren and Fisher and Flores and Reeves.

There are just some coaches I liked and paid attention to over the years. Marty was just one.

As a 49ers fan, nobody beats Walsh or comes close to him, so there is that too.

You mean I have that in common with you too? Ughh....FML.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Alex Smith didn't start this way. His second year in the league he was more the gun slinger type because that's who Norv tried to make him be.

Then starting in 2009, until last season, he has gotten better every single year.

I don't see that changing this year either. I don't think his rating will be over 104, but he is who he is. Super efficient, and the bottom line is, the guy wins.

The team around him is good enough right now, that he isn't going to have to be the man very often.

Sure, its not pretty, certainly not like Eli throwing for 400 in a loss, or Kap for 400 in a win, or 7 tds. But who really cares except the FF crowd?

I will tell you who cares. All of the coaches, players and fans who need FFB numbers to win a game, but their QB can't do that.

Kaepernick needed all of his 4 passing TDs in order to beat Tom Brady at away in New England in winter. Alex has never thrown 4 TDs and would have lost the game.

Terry Bradshaw went 309 yards with 2 TDs in super bowl 13 to beat the Cowboys 35 to 31.

You don't always need FFB numbers but it is nice to have a QB who can post them when it is needed for a must win. When you have the other kind, then you win until you don't and can't. I'll take the guy who can post FFB numbers, thank you.

Or as a QB Guru once said, "Do we need a top fight quarterback? Do human beings need air to breathe?"




Not knocking Alex directly. I am just providing examples where FFB numbers were needed to win a game.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

When you say "perfect fit", I'm sure you mean out of those readily available in the spring of 2013. I realize you know Alex Smith is not the ideal NFL QB and it is not as though Brady or Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Flacco, Eli or Luck couldn't run Andy's WCO, and do it far better than Alex Smith.

Call me super sensitive.

I spent a couple of years arguing with people who said Alex Smith was "perfect" for Jim Harbaugh's WCO and that Jim wanted a "run first" balanced offense and had no desire to put up fantasy football passing numbers.

Kaepernick's 412 yard game disproves that theory completely. Every HC want the best QB he can get. Andy would love somebody like Brady who could run his WCO and give him far more options to expand it as well.

Just putting the "perfect fit" in context. I suffered through hearing it used literally for 2 years. Alex is a good fit of what was available. I'm sure Andy would drop Alex unceremoniously for Peyton or Brees.

Alex is a very good QB. He's not Elite...or at best hasn't proven himself to be. So yeah, he'd be dumped for Peyton, Rogers, Brady or Brees.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I will tell you who cares. All of the coaches, players and fans who need FFB numbers to win a game, but their QB can't do that.

Kaepernick needed all of his 4 passing TDs in order to beat Tom Brady at away in New England in winter. Alex has never thrown 4 TDs and would have lost the game.

Terry Bradshaw went 309 yards with 2 TDs in super bowl 13 to beat the Cowboys 35 to 31.

You don't always need FFB numbers but it is nice to have a QB who can post them when it is needed for a must win. When you have the other kind, then you win until you don't and can't. I'll take the guy who can post FFB numbers, thank you.

Or as a QB Guru once said, "Do we need a top fight quarterback? Do human beings need air to breathe?"




Not knocking Alex directly. I am just providing examples where FFB numbers were needed to win a game.

LOL. I cant wait till Sunday night. The 49ers couldn't even run the ball against the Packers. The packers had their starting corner Hayward out, and their best safety in Burnett out. This weekend is going to be comical.

Reality is going to hit hard.

Don't get me wrong though. Kap was a beast. BUT BOLDIN WAS BEASTLIER.