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Old 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM  
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Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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Old 09-23-2014, 02:55 AM   #271
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And all average at best.
Hudson is the best O lineman we have right now and on a legit O line would be at that borderline pro bowl level.

Though he did have two high snaps last week that Smith did a good job of snagging without it disrupting the play...
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Old 09-23-2014, 07:23 AM   #272
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Fulton = Poorly put together brick wall. Supposed to be a powerful blocker but hasn't shown much power and consistently gets his shit pushed in when 1 on 1 with a DT. He also can't block in space at all.

LDT = Intelligent athletic phenom who has power, quickness, and aggressiveness to his blocking. Technically, he wasn't anywhere close to being as sound as Fulton was coming out of college, but does that really matter with Fulton being little more than a blocking sled on the field?

Let's see what LDT has since he's now had another 4 weeks of learning to play OG at the NFL level.
I agree. This line will actually be okay when you get Allen and Stephenson back. I hope LDT replaces Fulton. If so, we could have an okay like e by year end. But they have to keep gunning to find Allen and Stephenson replacements. I think they're solid enough as stopgaps. Both I think are excellent depth guys at least.
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Old 09-23-2014, 11:35 AM   #273
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Kelce
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All appear to be good players. Fisher is the key, and he's been decent this year. But he needs to be a top 10 LT. Also very anxious to see Cat when he returns.

Dorsey appears to be on the right track with this first class IMO.
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Old 09-23-2014, 11:39 AM   #274
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Kelce
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Cooper

All appear to be good players. Fisher is the key, and he's been decent this year. But he needs to be a top 10 LT. Also very anxious to see Cat when he returns.

Dorsey appears to be on the right track with this first class IMO.
Dorsey didn't draft Cooper.
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Old 09-23-2014, 11:40 AM   #275
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I agree. This line will actually be okay when you get Allen and Stephenson back. I hope LDT replaces Fulton. If so, we could have an okay like e by year end. But they have to keep gunning to find Allen and Stephenson replacements. I think they're solid enough as stopgaps. Both I think are excellent depth guys at least.
I think Stephenson can be a solid RT...
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Dorsey didn't draft Cooper.
You are right but he's a nice young player we brought in. 3 good young players so far. If Fisher turns out like we hope then that's a hell of a first year for Dorsey by getting those rookies.
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Cooper is garbage. We'll realize this when Brady picks on him Monday.
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Old 09-23-2014, 02:42 PM   #278
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Brady is a shell of his old self. Hali and Houston will scare the shit out of him.

We should trade for Pollard for one game to bring back the nightmares
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Old 09-23-2014, 02:46 PM   #279
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We should trade for Pollard for one game to bring back the nightmares
Call him up and see if he'll just stand on the sidelines and stare at Brady the entire game.
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Cooper is garbage. We'll realize this when Brady picks on him Monday.
Brady won't be picking on anyone. That line is atrocious, he's been seeing ghosts the last three weeks.
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Old 09-23-2014, 02:52 PM   #281
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I need Fisher to keep growing. He's doing well now, but the Chiefs give him all kinds of help. If he can lock down his edge without help, that alone would go a long way to changing my tune.

I also need to see way more from this draft class. Ford needs to keep progressing, Gaines needs to take a huge leap, DAT needs the field, and I need to see less of Fulton and more LDT.
I didn't see them give fisher much help against the phins.

The put all the extra guys on RT side to help Harris
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Old 09-23-2014, 03:47 PM   #282
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I didn't see them give fisher much help against the phins.

The put all the extra guys on RT side to help Harris
I watched Fisher like a hawk in the Denver game.

The Chiefs only allowed, like, two actual instances where Fisher took on Ware 1 on 1 with an actual 5- or 7-step drop.
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THANK YOU! I knew I wasn't alone in thinking that Cooper was horrible.
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THANK YOU! I knew I wasn't alone in thinking that Cooper was horrible.
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Marcus Cooper ranks at or near the bottom of almost all of our metrics for cornerbacks. He has surrendered 2.76 Yards per Snap in coverage (worst among corners), and has been targeted once per every 3.9 snaps in coverage, third-worst among corners.
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Marcus Cooper ranks at or near the bottom of almost all of our metrics for cornerbacks. He has surrendered 2.76 Yards per Snap in coverage (worst among corners), and has been targeted once per every 3.9 snaps in coverage, third-worst among corners.
I wonder if Brady will eat his lunch while Jizzle spanks his ass? Probably.
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