Chiefs Stop blaming the play calling. - Page 2

acesn8s · 12-12-2010, 11:36 PM

Croyle failed today because he sucks ass. Everything was called as normal except an end around. And its not like that play is called every game anyways. Croyle was in the shotgun, under center, play action, threw deep, threw short, screens, and bootlegs. The play calling was not the problem of our offense; decision making was the problem. Croyle checks down too much and tries to throw a bullet on short pass plays. His accuracy is horrible. And he is indecisive when pressured.

Here is a breakdown of his performance.

After 4 straight runs gaining 13 yards and a 1st down, Croyle throws on 3rd and 10 to Copper for a WR screen losing 1 yard. Chiefs punt.

After a 1 yard loss by Jones, Croyle checks down to Charles for a gain of 4 yards on 2nd and 11 while a wide open McCluster breaks to the sideline with room to run. On 3rd and 7 Croyle over throws Copper. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 10, Croyle is sacked for a 12 yard loss after a horrible attempt of a play action fake. After a run by Charles, Croyle checks down with a quick throw to Moeaki for 8 yards on 3rd and 18. Chiefs punt.

After Charles gains a 1st down and 16 yards, Croyle passes on a bootleg on 2nd and 4 to Moeaki for 5 yards. After a 2 yard run by Charles, Croyle throws a deep incomplete pass out of bounds toward Bowe. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 8 Croyle checks down to Bowe on an underneath route for 3 yards. Chiefs Punt.

From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle throws an incomplete pass toward Bow that was high and away from Bowe. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 10, Croyle throws over the middle to Copper for a 16 yard gain. From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle steps up in the pocket and checks down to Charles for 5 yards. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 5, Croyle throws a high pass toward Bowe deep that falls incomplete. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 5, Croyle holds the ball for 4 seconds before running back toward 2 of the 3 pass rushers and is sacked for a 11 yard loss. Halftime.

After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 3 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7. He never takes his eyes off Bowe and throws a bullet that a diving Bowe cannot handle. Chiefs punt.

After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 4 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 16. Croyle play fakes to an invisible RB, bootlegs and throws to a covered Bowe on the sideline. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 10, Croyle looks right, cocks to throw but never does and is sacked for a 6 yard loss. On 2nd and 16, Croyle under throws Bowe deep and the ball is deflected by the defender for an incomplete pass. On 3rd and 16 from the shotgun position, Croyle throws a screen pass toward Charles into the hands of a defensive lineman for an incomplete pass. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 18 yard pass is well defended and falls incomplete. Tucker never gets his hands on the ball. On 2nd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 13 yard pass is knocked down by the defender and falls incomplete. Tucker never touches the ball. On 3rd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle steps up in the pocket, pump fakes and is sacked; never releasing the ball even though McCluster is apparently open near the first down marker. Chiefs punt.

Palko enters the game and goes 2 of 3 for 8 yards. Croyle's day is done going 7 of 17 for 40 yards.

BIG_DADDY · 12-13-2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That it's a pretty clear double standard that the same people who have ripped Cassel apart for screwing up 3 or 4 plays in a loss are the same ones saying it's a team loss when Brodie Croyle screws up 15 and makes pretty much no positive plays.

I think Cassel is responsible for every loss except Oakland. And Croyle is extremely responsible for the loss against San Diego. For as bad as Cassel has played at times this year, Croyle's performance this season was far worse than Cassel's worst game.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-13-2010, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Thanks Captain Obvious.

You'd think it was obvious, except that there are still people blaming playcalling and I have neg reps that say I'm an idiot for having the audacity to not blame Croyle's performance on the offensive line.

BIG_DADDY · 12-13-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You'd think it was obvious, except that there are still people blaming playcalling and I have neg reps that say I'm an idiot for having the audacity to not blame Croyle's performance on the offensive line.

There are a lot of factors at work here. Croyle was rusty, nervous and overthrowing. That being said the O lines performance today was and obamination. You don't need to look any further than our offensive yardage total to see that. Lastly as much as you don't want it being said the play calling was predictable as hell. They were loading the box to stop the run and you would think they would call some play action to get Brodie going but Nooooooooooo, we get the predictable runs until we must pass scenario over and over. It's was a problem.

salame · 12-13-2010, 12:14 AM

**RealSNR** · 12-13-2010, 12:18 AM

tk13 pointed this out earlier that the Cassel injury allowed each side to over-simplify their beliefs about this team and make it impossible to look at the real problems the team was having.

And it's not going to stop. Cassel will come back next game and the Chiefs will win (at least I'm predicting a win. Maybe that's premature as bad as we are on the road). When he does, lots of people are going to say outrageous things.

And they're totally unwarranted. The San Diego and St. Louis games are apples to oranges as far as I'm concerned. Especially if this team finds a nutsack between now and December 20th

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-13-2010, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

And it's not going to stop. Cassel will come back next game and the Chiefs will win (at least I'm predicting a win. Maybe that's premature as bad as we are on the road). When he does, lots of people are going to say outrageous things.

People were saying outrageous things about Cassel before we played even one game this season....When he plays badly, people say outrageous negative things..Of course when he does well it will shift to the opposite......

We need him at QB now. The guy plays with heart and passion. He seems to have this team....

I don't think those things are outrageous.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-13-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

There are a lot of factors at work here. Croyle was rusty, nervous and overthrowing. That being said the O lines performance today was and obamination. You don't need to look any further than our offensive yardage total to see that. Lastly as much as you don't want it being said the play calling was predictable as hell. They were loading the box to stop the run and you would think they would call some play action to get Brodie going but Nooooooooooo, we get the predictable runs until we must pass scenario over and over. It's was a problem.

The offensive line gave Brodie enough to make plays. Brodie didn't make them. It's that simple. The offensive line didn't force him to check down umpteen times today. The offensive line in most of his overthrows didn't influence his throws.

And I don't know where people are getting the idea that we were predictably running the ball. I repeat that 4 out of the 5 drives in the first half were killed when we threw the ball 2 out of the 3 downs. And yes, plenty of those plays were playaction, but Brodie's mechanics are just godawful. On the sack he took on the playaction, he took a 5-7 step drop in addition to the 3 or 4 steps he took to get to the ball carrier.

I'm not saying Croyle's a bad QB. Maybe with reps he can be better. But let's not make excuses for the guy. The Chiefs put the kid's gloves on him on the first drive. After that, they opened up the offense and Croyle played horribly. The original post in this thread phenomenally broke his performance down.

**pr_capone** · 12-13-2010, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The offensive line gave Brodie enough to make plays. Brodie didn't make them. It's that simple. The offensive line didn't force him to check down umpteen times today. The offensive line in most of his overthrows didn't influence his throws.

Are you kidding me??? The offensive line gave Brodie no chance in hell to get a groove going. The guy was almost always on the run.

Not to say that Brokie played well by any means. There were a few times that he could have moved up in the pocket and kept the play alive but he instead chose to dump it off or rush the pass leading to an incompletion.

This is by FAR the worst game this offensive line has had all season.

BIG_DADDY · 12-13-2010, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The offensive line gave Brodie enough to make plays. Brodie didn't make them. It's that simple. The offensive line didn't force him to check down umpteen times today. The offensive line in most of his overthrows didn't influence his throws.

And I don't know where people are getting the idea that we were predictably running the ball. I repeat that 4 out of the 5 drives in the first half were killed when we threw the ball 2 out of the 3 downs. And yes, plenty of those plays were playaction, but Brodie's mechanics are just godawful. On the sack he took on the playaction, he took a 5-7 step drop in addition to the 3 or 4 steps he took to get to the ball carrier.

I'm not saying Croyle's a bad QB. Maybe with reps he can be better. But let's not make excuses for the guy. The Chiefs put the kid's gloves on him on the first drive. After that, they opened up the offense and Croyle played horribly. The original post in this thread phenomenally broke his performance down.

This is where we have to agree to disagree. Obviously we were watching different games.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-13-2010, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

That wasn't the take that most people had...In fact it was the opposite during the game thread. Most people wanted to give blame to Bowe for it, at least to some degree if not the majority of the blame.

Maybe it's time for you to leave the reeruns in the game thread and hit the Game Chat.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-13-2010, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

People were saying outrageous things about Cassel before we played even one game this season

How is this relevant to 12/12/10?

And for the record, what was outrageous?

The guy was nothing short of awful last year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-13-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

Are you kidding me??? The offensive line gave Brodie no chance in hell to get a groove going. The guy was almost always on the run.

Not to say that Brokie played well by any means. There were a few times that he could have moved up in the pocket and kept the play alive but he instead chose to dump it off or rush the pass leading to an incompletion.

This is by FAR the worst game this offensive line has had all season.

The blocking by everyone was an embarrassment. Every Chiefs player and coach should donate their salaries to charity, save for Eric Berry and Tyson Jackson.

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-13-2010, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How is this relevant to 12/12/10?

The guy was nothing short of awful last year.

LOL so LAST YEAR was relevant to This year but this year is NOT relevant to this year?

Wow good point, I never thought about it like that...

Im sure glad you pointed that out.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-13-2010, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

LOL so LAST YEAR was relevant to This year but this year is NOT relevant to this year?

Wow good point, I never thought about it like that...

Im sure glad you pointed that out.

**** you. You truly are a ****ing reerun.

Are you one of Matt Cassel's siblings? JFC, you defend the guy like he saved your life.

People were "saying" things about Cassel in August based on his shit play in 2009. Duh.

Dumbass.

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-13-2010, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

People were "saying" things about Cassel in August based on his shit play in 2009. Duh.

.

Right...and they were wrong about a lot of what they said...They weren't placing enough of the blame in other places.......(O-line, lack of overall talent on the team, defense, he needed more time to grow/learn etc..)

They also said things like he should be benched, Croyle would take the job over....blah blah blah...

They were wrong...

Say it with me...

12-12-2010, 11:36 PM
acesn8s MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Here Casino cash: $10007119	Stop blaming the play calling. Croyle failed today because he sucks ass. Everything was called as normal except an end around. And its not like that play is called every game anyways. Croyle was in the shotgun, under center, play action, threw deep, threw short, screens, and bootlegs. The play calling was not the problem of our offense; decision making was the problem. Croyle checks down too much and tries to throw a bullet on short pass plays. His accuracy is horrible. And he is indecisive when pressured. Here is a breakdown of his performance. After 4 straight runs gaining 13 yards and a 1st down, Croyle throws on 3rd and 10 to Copper for a WR screen losing 1 yard. Chiefs punt. After a 1 yard loss by Jones, Croyle checks down to Charles for a gain of 4 yards on 2nd and 11 while a wide open McCluster breaks to the sideline with room to run. On 3rd and 7 Croyle over throws Copper. Chiefs punt. On 1st and 10, Croyle is sacked for a 12 yard loss after a horrible attempt of a play action fake. After a run by Charles, Croyle checks down with a quick throw to Moeaki for 8 yards on 3rd and 18. Chiefs punt. After Charles gains a 1st down and 16 yards, Croyle passes on a bootleg on 2nd and 4 to Moeaki for 5 yards. After a 2 yard run by Charles, Croyle throws a deep incomplete pass out of bounds toward Bowe. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 8 Croyle checks down to Bowe on an underneath route for 3 yards. Chiefs Punt. From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle throws an incomplete pass toward Bow that was high and away from Bowe. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 10, Croyle throws over the middle to Copper for a 16 yard gain. From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle steps up in the pocket and checks down to Charles for 5 yards. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 5, Croyle throws a high pass toward Bowe deep that falls incomplete. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 5, Croyle holds the ball for 4 seconds before running back toward 2 of the 3 pass rushers and is sacked for a 11 yard loss. Halftime. After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 3 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7. He never takes his eyes off Bowe and throws a bullet that a diving Bowe cannot handle. Chiefs punt. After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 4 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 16. Croyle play fakes to an invisible RB, bootlegs and throws to a covered Bowe on the sideline. Chiefs punt. On 1st and 10, Croyle looks right, cocks to throw but never does and is sacked for a 6 yard loss. On 2nd and 16, Croyle under throws Bowe deep and the ball is deflected by the defender for an incomplete pass. On 3rd and 16 from the shotgun position, Croyle throws a screen pass toward Charles into the hands of a defensive lineman for an incomplete pass. Chiefs punt. On 1st and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 18 yard pass is well defended and falls incomplete. Tucker never gets his hands on the ball. On 2nd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 13 yard pass is knocked down by the defender and falls incomplete. Tucker never touches the ball. On 3rd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle steps up in the pocket, pump fakes and is sacked; never releasing the ball even though McCluster is apparently open near the first down marker. Chiefs punt. Palko enters the game and goes 2 of 3 for 8 yards. Croyle's day is done going 7 of 17 for 40 yards.
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