Taco John wants a new QB - Page 2

Hammock Parties · 01-10-2005, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Jake has got plenty of heart. He just can't pass from the pocket very well. He doesn't have pocket skills to hide his actions when he's standing in there. You know what Jake is going to do when he's in the pocket, because he's telegraphing it. From staring down routes, to hesitating before passes, Jake gives defenders the opportunity to react to what he's doing before he does it.

The bottom line is, do you, or don't you believe that Jake can win a Superbowl with the Broncos. It's my unfortunate displeasure to say that I don't. I love everything about Jake except the fact that he can't pass from the pocket, and we are in a passing league right now. We need a more complete quarterback.

Coach · 01-10-2005, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

One of the keys in FA ... beware of players that kicked ass in their contract year.

This one I can deftinaly relate, since there are quite a few FA's that will be somewhat wanting top-notch money, only giving little production. (I.E. Hugh Douglas)

Garcia Bronco · 01-10-2005, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

Do you think Brees is worth a look if the Chargers don't tag him?

Given our situation...maybe...

We don't have a good pass protecting o-line...Brees would have to be able to move. I'll be honest though...haven't watched him enough to see how mobile he is....it could work out though.

Eleazar · 01-10-2005, 09:18 AM

the Rat has staked what's left of his rep on him.

Hammock Parties · 01-10-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Look at the passing yards, rushing yards and sacks allowed. The Oline isn't in shambles.

You and I both know that the sacks allowed is low mostly due to Plummer's mobility.

When Plummer was forced to stand in the pocket against KC, the Chiefs nailed him 6 times.

Plummer runs for his life more than any QB in the league. You need an upgrade at two or three spots on the O-Line.

Mile High Mania · 01-10-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach

This one I can deftinaly relate, since there are quite a few FA's that will be somewhat wanting top-notch money, only giving little production. (I.E. Hugh Douglas)

Case in point ... Muhsin. He's a FA and had a PHENOMENAL year... he'll want to get paid, I'm wondering what will happen with him.

Mile High Mania · 01-10-2005, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GoatCheese

You and I both know that the sacks allowed is low mostly due to Plummer's mobility.

When Plummer was forced to stand in the pocket against KC, the Chiefs nailed him 6 times.

Plummer runs for his life more than any QB in the league. You need an upgrade at two or three spots on the O-Line.

Yes, in one game ... Denver gave up 6 of the 16 (?) sacks over the season. The Oline has it's strengths, run blocking being the key - so they need a QB with mobility. You pointed that out in your statement.

Coach · 01-10-2005, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Case in point ... Muhsin. He's a FA and had a PHENOMENAL year... he'll want to get paid, I'm wondering what will happen with him.

Well he is over 30, since I'm not sure what his exact age is, but I would think that his production will slip once he gets that money. It's usually like this for most old-aged "veterans".

I would think you would know what I mean when the name "Dan Williams" is mentioned.

Hammock Parties · 01-10-2005, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Given our situation...maybe...

We don't have a good pass protecting o-line...Brees would have to be able to move. I'll be honest though...haven't watched him enough to see how mobile he is....it could work out though.

He's pretty mobile...kind of a tweener in that area.

Mile High Mania · 01-10-2005, 09:22 AM

One thing about Jake running for his life... many times, those were designed rollouts/bootlegs to take advantage of what the defense offered.

Again - not saying the Oline is perfect, there's a FA or two that needs to be resigned or upgraded. But, if Jake had a consistent safety blanket (read solid TE), then a lot of that running for his life as you describe is eliminated.

He's not a great pocket passer... I've never denied it, but they typically game plan around that and it has worked.

**RNR** · 01-10-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Not for the price. If you ask me to give $4M a year and a big bonus to either Plummer or Drew... I choose Plummer. He knows the system and Brees has performed for 1 year only. I'm not saying he won't rock for years to come, but I don't see him doing better than Plummer in Denver... they have other areas to address that can improve the team with Plummer.

That is the catch, is it he has reached that point where he gets it, or is he a one year wonder. I went on record saying I thought Plummer would be a real good QB in that system. He has not got there yet, and at this point I wonder if he will.

I also would not be shocked to see Shanny coaching the 49ers. They need a coach, he needs a fresh start. I would not be shocked to see huge change in Denver. It will be a very interesting offseason.

royr17 · 01-10-2005, 09:27 AM

OH NO, say it aint so, wtf happened Taco a few years before you was comparing Green and Plummer and saying that Plummer was gonna be a better QB then GREEN.

SO WTF HAPPEN TO THAT ?

Just goes to show how ignorant Donkey fans can be.

Mile High Mania · 01-10-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by royr17

OH NO, say it aint so, wtf happened Taco a few years before you was comparing Green and Plummer and saying that Plummer was gonna be a better QB then GREEN.

SO WTF HAPPEN TO THAT ?

Just goes to show how ignorant Donkey fans can be.

You need to teach us to be smarter.

Eleazar · 01-10-2005, 09:30 AM

I think it's pretty obvious what the situation is here.

Plummer needs to scramble to be effective, the Rat figured that out. It's not because for some reason he magically becomes a decent quarterback when his feet are moving. It's because (1) he can't read the whole field (2) when receiving pressure in the pocket he tends to lob the ball up for grabs.

Sorry, Peter King and other Plummer pimps. He's not just somehow "good throwing on the run". He doesn't suddenly understand football when he leaves the tackle box. He doesn't all of a sudden gain the ability to throw a pass on target when moving. The reason is because he sucks at performing the full duties of a starting QB in the NFL so they have to make things simpler for him.

royr17 · 01-10-2005, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

You need to teach us to be smarter.

Sure if you ever become a chiefs fan that goal will have been succeeded.

Mile High Mania · 01-10-2005, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

I think it's pretty obvious what the situation is here.

Plummer needs to scramble to be effective, the Rat figured that out. It's not because for some reason he magically becomes a decent quarterback when his feet are moving. It's because (1) he can't read the whole field (2) when receiving pressure in the pocket he tends to lob the ball up for grabs.

Sorry, Peter King and other Plummer pimps. He's not just somehow "good throwing on the run". He doesn't suddenly understand football when he leaves the tackle box. He doesn't all of a sudden gain the ability to throw a pass on target when moving. The reason is because he sucks at performing the full duties of a starting QB in the NFL so they have to make things simpler for him.

And still, he had a good 2004.

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Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3457229	One thing about Jake running for his life... many times, those were designed rollouts/bootlegs to take advantage of what the defense offered. Again - not saying the Oline is perfect, there's a FA or two that needs to be resigned or upgraded. But, if Jake had a consistent safety blanket (read solid TE), then a lot of that running for his life as you describe is eliminated. He's not a great pocket passer... I've never denied it, but they typically game plan around that and it has worked. __________________
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royr17 MVP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lovin my kids Casino cash: $1748676	OH NO, say it aint so, wtf happened Taco a few years before you was comparing Green and Plummer and saying that Plummer was gonna be a better QB then GREEN. SO WTF HAPPEN TO THAT ? Just goes to show how ignorant Donkey fans can be.
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01-10-2005, 09:30 AM	#28
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	I think it's pretty obvious what the situation is here. Plummer needs to scramble to be effective, the Rat figured that out. It's not because for some reason he magically becomes a decent quarterback when his feet are moving. It's because (1) he can't read the whole field (2) when receiving pressure in the pocket he tends to lob the ball up for grabs. Sorry, Peter King and other Plummer pimps. He's not just somehow "good throwing on the run". He doesn't suddenly understand football when he leaves the tackle box. He doesn't all of a sudden gain the ability to throw a pass on target when moving. The reason is because he sucks at performing the full duties of a starting QB in the NFL so they have to make things simpler for him.
Posts: 80,659