Bob Gretz on Dorsey

[Chiefnj2]

- Gretz confirms that Dorsey is still healing from a college injury to his shin.
- I omitted the charts because they didn't format correctly.


Wednesday Morning Cup O’Chiefs
May 20, 2009 - Bob Gretz |

If you are one of those people who said Glenn Dorsey was a bust as the Chiefs No. 1 draft pick last year, understand that the man in question has heard you.

And if you are one of those people who think Dorsey is now obsolete because of the change in coaching staff and new defensive scheme, let it be known that he’s heard you on that as well.

“I’m not going to lie and say you don’t hear those things,” Dorsey said this week, as the Chiefs began their round of OTA sessions. “Hey, when a team wins two games there are not a lot of nice things they are going to say about anybody.

“It’s always discouraging when you hear negative things about you. But I don’t pay them much mind. I know what I did last year and I’m starting to get a pretty good idea of what’s ahead for this year with the new defense. I’m just working hard and trying to help this team win some more football games.”

The rush to judgment on the part of some in the media on Dorsey’s rookie season had less to do with what the young man did on the field, and more to do with the agendas of various pundits as they tried to make Carl Peterson/Herm Edwards look as bad as possible. We wrote about Dorsey and his rookie season back in January. Here’s the link to that story.

And here’s a chart of first-round defensive tackles in the last five NFL Drafts and what they did in his rookie seasons:


Those numbers scream that what Dorsey did last year in a bad season with a bad defense was pretty normal for first round defensive tackles.

“I don’t expect them to go back and do research,” said Dorsey. “That’s the fans, they react how they want to react.

“Listen, I was the fifth pick and we only one two games, so I guess I’m going to be in the bull’s eye. It comes with it. I talked to my parents about it and they told me what I was thinking: I’ve got to turn things into a positive. That’s what I’m trying to do.”

As to whether he’s out of place now with the defensive change around the Chiefs, Dorsey doesn’t see that.

“A lot of people are thinking this is a straight 3-4 defense and it’s not,” said Dorsey. “Being at an end is a new place for me, but it’s not going to be a classic 3-4 end on every snap. I think I can do it. It’s something new to get used too. I’m trying to get better with it and trying to improve one day at a time.

“There’s a place for me in this defense.”

Dorsey has been limited in his participation first in the team’s mini-camp and now in the first OTA by an old shin injury.

“It’s nothing major,” said Dorsey. “If it was a game, I would have played. We are just trying to make sure it heals and I can get over it.”

The focus for Glenn Dorsey is adapting to the new defense and getting stronger and in condition. There’s nothing else that he’s worried about.

“I can’t focus on stuff like that,” Dorsey said of the criticism. “The moment I do, I fall behind in getting done what I’ve got to get done. I know it comes with the territory and the only way I’m going to shut people up is to go out and dominate.

“That’s what I’m working for right now, trying to get better and be more of an impact player. I don’t take it negatively or positively, I’ve got to do what I’ve got to do.”

Whether is means anything to what Dorsey may get done this year, here’s what those DTs taken in the last five drafts did in their second season. Ellis and Balmer are not included, because like Dorsey, they are entering their sophomore NFL campaigns:


The Chiefs hope Dorsey follows in the footsteps of Ngata, Patterson and Wilfork in their second seasons in the league.

[Mr. Krab]

The rush to judgment on the part of some in the media on Dorsey’s rookie season had less to do with what the young man did on the field, and more to do with the agendas of various pundits as they tried to make Carl Peterson/Herm Edwards look as bad as possible.

The crying never ends.

[Hammock Parties]

Bravo for having the best possible attitude.

[Cannibal]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Those numbers scream that what Dorsey did last year in a bad season with a bad defense was pretty normal for first round defensive tackles.

But when he was drafted, he wasn't supposed to be a "normal" first round draft pick. He was supposed to be a "once in a generation" player. I am not calling him a bust yet, but Bob Gretz is a douche... as usual.

[L.A. Chieffan]

sims jr. see ya at the buffet line glen with two ns

[Mr. Krab]

I guess i'm a guy in the minority, but i think Dorsey will be in a better situation in a 3-4 defense as long as they put him at RDE. A RDE in a 3-4 generally slides inside to become an undertackle. This is Dorsey's natural position and he shouldn't be put at nose tackle like the Chiefs did last year. The more space Dorsey has to work in, the better. Also the scheme blitzing that comes with a 3-4 defense might take the offensive line away from Dorsey and give him a real chance to penetrate.

[Saccopoo]

I think Dorsey will be fine. He should see action at the nose and the ends next season. He's strong, with long arms, and has shown (in college) to have the ability to penetrate the gaps as well as take on blockers straight up. Like Fax said (and reinforced by guys like Pollard), I don't think anyone on defense last year knew what the hell was going on due to the fact that they were being forced to play in both Herm's Cover 2 scheme as well as Gun's blitz/stunt hybrid crap. It was a bad marriage and I think we'll see a definite improvement defensively this next year. There are some quality players out there, and some guys who give good effort. I think Tank will be a good nose next season, and the secondary will start to come of age. If we get any type of support from Vrabel and Thomas, we will be much improved over last season.

[talastan]

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's

I guess i'm a guy in the minority, but i think Dorsey will be in a better situation in a 3-4 defense as long as they put him at RDE. A RDE in a 3-4 generally slides inside to become an undertackle. This is Dorsey's natural position and he shouldn't be put at nose tackle like the Chiefs did last year. The more space Dorsey has to work in, the better. Also the scheme blitzing that comes with a 3-4 defense might take the offensive line away from Dorsey and give him a real chance to penetrate.

This X1000

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Cannibal

But when he was drafted, he wasn't supposed to be a "normal" first round draft pick. He was supposed to be a "once in a generation" player. I am not calling him a bust yet, but Bob Gretz is a douche... as usual.

Even "once in a generation" rookie DT's struggle. Look at Warren Sapp's rookie season compared to Dorsey: (Sapp) 26 tackles, 3 sacks. (Dorsey) 32 tackles, 1 sack.

[Chiefnj2]

IMO Dorsey's best chance of success in the NFL would be to lose a few pounds and play the undertackle at about 285 lbs. Chronic shin/leg injury plus being asked to play at 300lbs plus doesn't seem like a great idea.

[BigChiefFan]

“Listen, I was the fifth pick and we only one two games"


Classic Gretz.

[Cannibal]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Even "once in a generation" rookie DT's struggle. Look at Warren Sapp's rookie season compared to Dorsey: (Sapp) 26 tackles, 3 sacks. (Dorsey) 32 tackles, 1 sack.

Then I guess if we're comparing him to Sapp, we can expect something along the lines of 41 tackles and 9 sacks this year?

[talastan]

Dorsey will excel IMO with this new defensive scheme. They are already according to some reports lining him up in the RDE position for the 3-4 and as RDT for the 4-3. I believe the unpredictablity of the 3-4 blitzing will allow our boy to be alot more difficult to block since they will have to tie up blockers with Edwards, Jackson, and the OLB's. I see Dorsey getting much better penetration in this new scheme. Let's not forget how the losers that ran this Defense before misused Dorsey in the Cover who Defense.

[talastan]

Originally Posted by Cannibal

Then I guess if we're comparing him to Sapp, we can expect something along the lines of 41 tackles and 9 sacks this year?

Sounds good to me!!

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by talastan

Dorsey will excel IMO with this new defensive scheme. They are already according to some reports lining him up in the RDE position for the 3-4 and as RDT for the 4-3. I believe the unpredictablity of the 3-4 blitzing will allow our boy to be alot more difficult to block since they will have to tie up blockers with Edwards, Jackson, and the OLB's. I see Dorsey getting much better penetration in this new scheme. Let's not forget how the losers that ran this Defense before misused Dorsey in the Cover who Defense.

It would help if KC actually had some decent OLB's who could rush the passer.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by GRETZ

The Chiefs hope Dorsey follows in the footsteps of Ngata, Patterson and Wilfork in their second seasons in the league.

Those 3 are NT's, something Dorsey is not.