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07-14-2013, 10:10 AM | #16 |
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Ambiorix Burgos Hernandez would be an awesome Royals Nickname
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07-14-2013, 10:13 AM | #17 |
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Bottom line: They're better, but still not good enough.
It does amaze me that we FINALLY get legit starting pitching for the most part, and our bats just go to sleep. Maybe we really are cursed by Denkinger. |
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07-14-2013, 10:19 AM | #18 | |
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07-14-2013, 10:21 AM | #19 | |
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Guthrie's line so far: 8-7 record on 19 starts, ERA is 4.25. Has given up 124 hits in 120 innings, has 43 walks and 58 Ks. He does lead the staff giving up 22 homers. But he does have a winning record, which is more than Shields or Santana can say. I'm not sure how that figures in to "next to the worst starter in the league." |
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07-14-2013, 10:23 AM | #20 |
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This. Goddamn it. They've got some pieces to make some noise. I don't think they've got the talent to be World Series good, but they have enough to be playoffs good. Just hit the mother****ing ball.
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07-14-2013, 10:23 AM | #21 | |
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Who knows. Like I said, we finally get to where our pitchers keep us in games, and we can't figure out how to get runs. The hope would be that the hitters would want to support the quality pitching they're getting. I'm sure they do, but stop pressing. Shields had an ERA under 3 for the month of June and couldn't buy a win. Ridiculous. They just aren't good enough yet to put it all together. |
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07-14-2013, 10:25 AM | #22 |
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The ****ing leadoff hitter for the Twins would lead the Royals in home runs if he were on the team. I don't even know his name, I just know he has more home runs than everyone on this team. That's laugh out loud worthy.
GMDM has assembled one hell of a national league lineup. |
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07-14-2013, 10:31 AM | #23 |
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The entire team gets a D. Mostly weighted down by Getz, Frenchy, Mistakeus and Davies tanking the season.
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07-14-2013, 10:41 AM | #24 |
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Al Bundy: I guess it's a matter of the degree of stench you're used to. This team has at least been competitive at times. They're not buried in the cellar, their usual home over the past twenty years. They are maddeningly frustrating on offense, but pitch much better than in years past. So, although they now lose 4-2 instead of 8-4 most nights, at least they offer a sliver of hope most of the time. They usually come up about two clutch hits short of winning. So I won't give them a D so far, I'll give them a C. They're pretty much what we all figured they'd be back in April. Now, if they tank in the second half, a D would be more than fair.
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07-14-2013, 10:48 AM | #25 |
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Great Thread, and thank youThank you for the write up. more than I am.
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07-14-2013, 10:56 AM | #26 |
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Guthrie's low K rate and high HR rate have to catch up to him eventually. Mother****er has been dancing through rain drops this year.
MAYBE he continues it the rest of this year. But that luck won't hold through two more years of that contract. Something's gotta give. And quite frankly, I'm not optimistic. This year is basically his 2009 year in Baltimore. He bounced back the next season, but will he do that at age 35? |
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07-14-2013, 10:57 AM | #27 |
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Wow, you guys are hammering Slugrrr....
On the broadcast, Denny is pretty much coasting on his seniority. I'm OK with that, dude has earned his stripes. Fever is excellent, and he takes no shit from Hud or Goldberg. Fizz is Bob Davis light, wallpaper paste bland. Who the hell is Jeff Blauser??? Hud is the anti-Frank, which is what the Royals Front Office wanted. He is the Badhdad Bob of the Royals, although his "Salvy in Pinstripes" comments may end up costing him his job next year. Rusty Kuntz FTW just because of his name. Rodriguez cost us a game by hanging David Lough out to dry. That new batting coach as been OK too. And who puts ketchup on a hot dog???? F!!! |
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07-14-2013, 10:58 AM | #28 | |
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FIP = ((13*(Flyballs * League-average HR/FB rate))+(3*(BB+HBP))-(2*K))/IP + constant As far as the metrics are concerned: Shields and Santana can't control how many runs the Royals score. That's one of the reasons why wins and losses aren't considered a truly meaningful measurement of a pitcher's worth. Look at Greinke's 2009, for example. If he were on a team like the 2009 Yankees he probably would have won 25 games. When evaluating players you have to look at what they control. If a pitcher gives up a 420 foot flyball to dead center in Houston it's an out. If he gives up a 320 foot flyball to left it's a homerun. The second outcome was worse, but the pitcher likely made a better pitch. Very similarly, someone giving up tons of line drives may be lucky enough to have those line drives get caught (Bruce Chen Friday night), but that doesn't mean that the 0 ER they gave up was a true measure of their performance. A broken bat single, a weak grounder to second, and a dying quail scores a run, but in all examples the pitcher induced weak contact. Guthrie's terribleness stems from the fact that he walks a ton of batters, strikes out hardly any, it getting lucky on balls in play, and gives up a ton of line drives and fly balls, which translate into runs at a much higher clip than do groundballs.
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OK, I understand all that, but luck and defense are part of the reality of a game. Sometimes you get lucky, like Chen was Friday night. Sometimes your defense saves your ass. Guthrie has more K's than walks this year. His 22 homers is worst for starters, but Santana has given up 16, that's a lot too. Guthrie can give up fly balls in Kauffman, because you have to really clock one to get it out. I understand where your coming from, though. If he stays lucky, then great. Sometimes luck is all you need.
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07-14-2013, 11:02 AM | #30 |
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Pretty simple way to watch baseball:
If the batter hits a hard liner, it was a better AB than the guy who hits a 39 hopper through the hole, even if the second guy gets on, because statistically, the first guy is more likely to get hits and runs from that kind of contact. Apply the opposite analysis to pitching, but factor in location of the pitch as well: Crow's pitch to Bourn on Friday was a good pitch. The cement mixers that Chen had guys popping out on weren't. One guy was really lucky; one guy wasn't.
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