Green = Grbac?

[The Rick]

According to Jeffrey Flanagan he does...statistically anyway.

Uh-oh! Grbac and Green have eerily similar statistics

JEFFREY FLANAGAN

Perhaps Elvis Grbac never really left the building.

Elvis Grbac is Trent Green.

Seriously, their statistics are frighteningly similar — virtually identical in some areas.

• Grbac was here four years and was 26-22 as a starter. Green is in his fourth year and is 30-29 as a starter.

• Both quarterbacks started one playoff game here, both losses. Grbac had a 94.4 passer rating in his loss; Green had a 92.6 passer rating in his loss.

• Grbac threw for a touchdown once in every 23.45 passes here. Green has thrown for a touchdown once in every 23.02 passes.

• Grbac threw an interception once in every 32 passes. Green has thrown an interception once in every 32 passes.

• Grbac completed 58 percent of his passes here. Green has completed 61 percent of his passes.

• Green's cumulative numbers for touchdowns and yards are higher than Grbac's, simply because he has played more games. Green averages 7.7 yards per attempt, Grbac 6.9.

One can easily argue that Green has had more weapons, too. Grbac didn't have Priest Holmes or what some say is the league's best offensive line.

Grbac also didn't benefit from the imaginative play-calling of Al Saunders. Grbac was stuck with Paul Hackett and Jimmy Raye.

There is one other striking similarity. Both quarterbacks have a signature end-of-the-game play.

For Grbac, it was throwing the ball 15 yards short of the first down, hoping the receiver could miraculously break 20 tackles to keep the drive alive. For Green, it's taking a sack.

We will allow Green this much: He's never taken a cheap shot at his receivers, like Grbac did.

***

People still refer to NFL schedules as “soft” or “hard,” when in reality it's been years since each divisional team's schedule fluctuated much.

For example, the Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders and Chargers all play the same opponents, except for two.

This year, the Chiefs, based on winning the AFC West last year, had to play the champs of the AFC East (New England) and the AFC North (Baltimore). It just so happens that those two teams have a combined 17-5 record.

The Raiders drew Pittsburgh and Buffalo, who are a combined 15-7.

The Broncos drew Miami and Cincinnati, both having disappointing years while combining for a 7-15 mark.

The Chargers had the Browns and Jets, who are a combined 11-11.

***

Former Chief Nick Lowery didn't make the recent cutdown from 90 to 25 in the voting for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and that doesn't sit well with those who appreciate the skill of kicking in the NFL.

The Hall of Fame has just one kicker inducted — Jan Stenerud — and zero punters, not even Ray Guy.

Lowery finished his career with 383 field goals, third most in NFL history behind Gary Anderson (533) and Morten Andersen (515).

The best kicker in the game today, New England's Adam Vinatieri, strongly believes it's time that kickers and punters start literally kicking down the doors of the Hall.

“Guy should be in there,” Vinatieri told the Boston Globe. “Lowery should be in there. Both the Andersons (sic) should be, too. You play over 20 years and score 2,000 points and there's no place for you in the Hall of Fame? Maybe in the back somewhere? Come on, now.”

To reach Jeffrey Flanagan call (816) 234-4492 and leave a message or email jflanagan@kcstar.com

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[Gaz]

I would like to thank Mr. Flannagan for a fine example of why statistics are dangerous weapons in ignorant hands.

xoxo~
Gaz
Realizes the Planet statmongers can always use a reminder or twelve.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by RedNFeisty

I actually have no clue what important games Green has won, frankly I don't really care. He has been the best QB that the Chiefs have had in a long time. I liked Gannon and I loved Montana, but I don't think they were as good for the Chiefs as Green is.

It's all about the timing. IMO if Gannon would have started the 97 playoff game against the Broncos the Chiefs would have made the SB, and the rest as they say would be history.

If that had happened we probably wouldn't be talking about Green today.

[RedNFeisty]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

So, is our standard wins and losses and SB appearances, or a player who falls short but we can still be proud to support. If it's the latter, may I again assert that I was much more proud of the Chiefs when they played good defense under Schottenheimer, even if they didn't win a SB, than I am today.

I am very disappointed in the Chiefs this year, but I will not blame Green, Priest, Tony, or most of the offense. I will say that I have been more pumped the last four years then I had been with Marty for years. I was ready to see Marty leave. Not that I haven't been sadly disappointed with the team under DV as of late, I think I mentioned that a little already.

[morphius]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

So, is our standard wins and losses and SB appearances, or a player who falls short but we can still be proud to support. If it's the latter, may I again assert that I was much more proud of the Chiefs when they played good defense under Schottenheimer, even if they didn't win a SB, than I am today.

So, you had a blast in that 98 season where we were going to go unbeaten and march into the SB?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Gaz

I would like to thank Mr. Flannagan for a fine example of why statistics are dangerous weapons in ignorant hands.

xoxo~
Gaz
Realizes the Planet statmongers can always use a reminder or twelve.

Thanks for the shining generality, devoid of substance.

[morphius]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

It's all about the timing. IMO if Gannon would have started the 97 playoff game against the Broncos the Chiefs would have made the SB, and the rest as they say would be history.

If that had happened we probably wouldn't be talking about Green today.

Or if the refs would have realized that one knee=two feet and gave Tony that TD in the game...

Morphius
ahhh the if's

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by morphius

Or if the refs would have realized that one knee=two feet and gave Tony that TD in the game...

Morphius
ahhh the if's

Great, now I'm having flashbacks. Thanks.

[morphius]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Great, now I'm having flashbacks. Thanks.

You started it pig ****er

[Hammock Parties]

Grbac's won-less record would have been significantly crappier had he been stuck with Green's defense.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by morphius

So, you had a blast in that 98 season where we were going to go unbeaten and march into the SB?

Geez, one bad season in 10. Wonder how that matches up with DV's tenure. And even then, even after the Monday Night Meltdown, I was not as embarassed to be a CHiefs fan as I am today. We get pity from Cardinal, Bengal, Redskin, and Browns fans nowadays fer chrissake.

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

It's not about whether or not he's a quitter, or has 'grit' or 'heart.' It's about whether or not he's a winner. The term 'intangible' has a meaning, folks. And it stands in opposition to 'tangible,' which pretty much covers the standards for success. Green has demonstrated those intangibles throughout his career, and people like to think that those intangibles lead to tangible results. But it hasn't in Green's case. I asked earlier in the week if people thought Green had ever won an important game, or if not what they thought the closest thing was. I got no replies.

It hasn't in Green's case because of DV. MOF, I venture to say that coming to KC was a mixed blessing for him. OTOH, he got a second chance because of the emotional connection DV felt for him after he'd lost his job and place in history to the KW 'miracle' but OTOH, he's tied his fortunes to that of the Grandma and as he goes so too goes Green.

I TRULY believe that DV has not had the testicular fortitude to stand up to CP and DEMAND that the necessary additions to the team be made that would further allow Green to be a success. Think about it, CP drafted LJ (CP ploy to force PH to behave) and he brought in a single coach, ONE PERSON, they'd previously run out of town to 'fix' the ailing defense. These are two well known moves that DV was opposed to and have impacted the team in negative ways. This hurts Green because players that have been needed (both WR and defense) have been overlooked or passed on simply because CP pulled rank.

Now, the OL is starting to age and falter and Green is forced to carry the load when his running game has been sporatic and his wide receivers have been inconsistent this not withstanding the nightmare that has been the defense and the bi-polar STs. Not to mention that CP initially did not even WANT Priest Holmes...he freakin lucked out on the acquisition.

So what, specifically, has CP done to HELP Trent Green???? And, with the lack of those moves what has DV done specifically to help him as well? If he's going to bring him here out of some sense of loyalty and retribution then is it not his responsbility to stand up to CP and demand that he make the changes necessary for Green to succeed?

I believe that neither have done much to help the guy succeed...

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by UserName

Grbac's won-less record would have been significantly crappier had he been stuck with Green's defense.

Or significantly better with Saunders/Priest/and todays Oline.

[BigRedChief]

Trent, U Da MAN!

Best QB we have had since Montana. I'm glad Trent is my QB. Now would I like to have Manning or McNabb? Sure. But I've lived through some really horrible KC QB's. Grbac? Hurt pinky and can't play? No way that you can paint Trent with Grbac's brush.

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by RedNFeisty

I actually have no clue what important games Green has won, frankly I don't really care. He has been the best QB that the Chiefs have had in a long time. I liked Gannon and I loved Montana, but I don't think they were as good for the Chiefs as Green is.

I agree with this. But then Gannon was not ever handed the team either. One wonders what would have happened if he WAS. I know, old argument so no need to rehash.

But Green has been given the EMOTIONAL keys he needs...not much else.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

It's all about the timing. IMO if Gannon would have started the 97 playoff game against the Broncos

Originally Posted by morphius

Or if the refs would have realized that one knee=two feet and gave Tony that TD in the game...

Originally Posted by UserName

Grbac's won-less record would have been significantly crappier had he been stuck with Green's defense.

Ah, yes. The stat comparisons are crap. But the 'what ifs' are iron-clad cinches.