Discussing the 1st rd: why Dee Ford was the best option

[kccrow]

Marcus Smith - Very good chance he'll start over Connor Barwin at LOLB for Philly.

Demarcus Lawrence - Almost certain he'll start for the Cowboys at LDE.

Jeremiah Attaochu - Jarret Johnson is 32 and Dwight Freeney is 34, he's going to see plenty of snaps.

Carl Bradford - Has pro read strength, Nick Perry has been a disappointment, they'll give someone snaps along with Peppers opposite Clay Matthews in GB.

How are any of these guys in a lesser position to succeed than Dee Ford? And yes, I think they all have similar abilities.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Marcus Smith - Very good chance he'll start over Connor Barwin at LOLB for Philly.

Demarcus Lawrence - Almost certain he'll start for the Cowboys at LDE.

Jeremiah Attaochu - Jarret Johnson is 32 and Dwight Freeney is 34, he's going to see plenty of snaps.

Carl Bradford - Has pro read strength, Nick Perry has been a disappointment, they'll give someone snaps along with Peppers opposite Clay Matthews in GB.

How are any of these guys in a lesser position to succeed than Dee Ford? And yes, I think they all have similar abilities.

Add Van Noy to that as well. (Also consider that he's very familiar with last years pick Ziggy Ansah. Should play right over his shoulder in Detroits 43 base.)

And Reilly should see a lot of snaps for the Jets seeing as Calvin Pace is 33 and was on a downward slide in terms of performance until his 10 sack 2013 season, which seems more like a last gasp then what would be a regularity from here on out.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Marcus Smith - Very good chance he'll start over Connor Barwin at LOLB for Philly.

Demarcus Lawrence - Almost certain he'll start for the Cowboys at LDE.

Jeremiah Attaochu - Jarret Johnson is 32 and Dwight Freeney is 34, he's going to see plenty of snaps.

Carl Bradford - Has pro read strength, Nick Perry has been a disappointment, they'll give someone snaps along with Peppers opposite Clay Matthews in GB.

How are any of these guys in a lesser position to succeed than Dee Ford? And yes, I think they all have similar abilities.

Bradford's going to play inside for the Packers. Bank on it.

The Packers aren't giving up on Nick Perry. They really like him and believe he's just gotta stay healthy in order to be the player they need him to be.

They might shift Bradford outside occasionally, but his prime job is going to be blitzing from the inside and covering sweeps, offtackle runs, and passes out into the flat. He's not just going to be some useless Mike backer like Joe Mays or Akeem Jordan.

That's the kind of guy I really wanted us to draft, whether that was Kyle Van Noy or Carl Bradford. Somebody who can play both inside and out depending on the situation.

[BossChief]

If I was gonna make a top 10 before the draft of prospects I wanted and had a reasonable chance to be there when we pick, Dee Ford would have been somewhere between 5-7 on that list.

Dude has a few uncoachable traits in his game and psyche that this fan base is gonna love and if he can stay healthy, has a real chance at being elite at a position that is only second in order of importance in today's nfl to a franchise quarterback.

His first step, killer instinct, speed and athleticism make him worth the gamble.

He has Von Miller type upside IMO.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If I was gonna make a top 10 before the draft of prospects I wanted and had a reasonable chance to be there when we pick, Dee Ford would have been somewhere between 5-7 on that list.

Dude has a few uncoachable traits in his game and psyche that this fan base is gonna love and if he can stay healthy, has a real chance at being elite at a position that is only second in order of importance in today's nfl to a franchise quarterback.

His first step, killer instinct, speed and athleticism make him worth the gamble.

He has Von Miller type upside IMO.

Not a ****ing chance.

Von Miller destroyed dudes in college. ****ed guys up. (With the notable exception of Russell Okung, but that's another story for another time.)

Ford was invisible on the field with the exception of the 10.5 sacks his last season. 29 total tackles. That's pathetic. Teams gladly ran at him all the time.

6 sacks in 2012. 34 tackles.

The guy had a total of 93 tackles in his entire college career. Trevor Reilly had 100 tackles last season alone to go along with 9 sacks.

And Ford didn't really impact the ball when he got his sacks. Only three forced fumbles for his entire college career. (Compare to Tamba Hali, who is effectively a point forward effort sack guy, but he's got the uncanny skill of separating the ball from the QB when he gets there. And Hali is absolutely relentless all game long. A ****ing warrior. I'm not sure that Dee Ford has the frame to be able to go against NFL OT's for an entire game the way Hali can.)

He's a major project at this point as a NFL rush end. He should be a viable special teams player right from the start.

He's got skills (a very good first and second step) and he's got a good work ethic and determination from everything that's been said about him. But he's going to have to learn pass and run defense basics while having the starting point be the NFL level. That's a lot to ask.

[BryanBusby]

Dee Ford still has a lot of untapped potential and I'd guess they feel comfortable in Gary Gibbs ability to unlock it. His ceiling is higher than the guys crow listed.

The Chiefs are about the potential instead of a players floor.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Dee Ford still has a lot of untapped potential and I'd guess they feel comfortable in Gary Gibbs ability to unlock it. His ceiling is higher than the guys crow listed.

The Chiefs are about the potential instead of a players floor.

That's exactly right.

Every pick was made based on the achievable ceiling of each guy. That shows a front office working hand in hand with the coaching staff.

Something we haven't had in....

[BryanBusby]

As for why Dee Ford over Xavier Su'a-Filo or a Marqise Lee, they value pass-rushers more than receivers or interior linemen.

[BossChief]

1) Hali turns 31 this year and playing through an ankle injury last year might lead to problems going forward.

2) we are in nickel and dime sets more than half the time. Especially in our division where there are 2 big time passers and a rookie (Carr) or mistake probe vet (Shaub) that's gonna be playing catchup all year. There are lots of formations that can get Ford on the field arly on in his time in KC.

3) both of our OLBs lost time to injury last year...Ford will probably be the 2 at both spots.

[BossChief]

I wonder where they had Shazier on their big board.

[BryanBusby]

ITT: Saccopoo still thinks NFL teams look at a stat line and form up their draft boards off of it. Players from the state of Utah are stacked at the top of boards.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

ITT: Saccopoo still thinks NFL teams look at a stat line and form up their draft boards off of it. Players from the state of Utah are stacked at the top of boards.

29 tackles.

How does a guy who is supposedly as other worldly as Dee Ford get only 29 tackles?

Shit. Arkansas State DT Ryan Carrethers had 16 tackles in one game. From the NT spot.

What the **** did Dee Ford do to make sure he didn't tackle anybody at the college level with all of his Von Miller level talent? I mean seriously. There were three games this past season where he had 1 tackle. 1.

Trevor Reilly had two games where he had 14 tackles.

How the **** is Dee Ford going to make it in the NFL when he couldn't even tackle for shit at the college level?

How does a 6'3", 255 lbs. guy that runs a 4.53 40, benches 225 29 times get only 29 tackles for an entire season?

However, he sure does look good running without a shirt.





Vernon Gholston anyone?

Oh, and Luke Kuechly says "hi" and wants you to know that he's going to shove his college stats up your ass.

(And speaking of Kuechly, remember when I said he'd be NFL Defensive POY for the 2013 season? And people laughed and said "No way." Just saying...)

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

29 tackles.

How does a guy who is supposedly as other worldly as Dee Ford get only 29 tackles?

Shit. Arkansas State DT Ryan Carrethers had 16 tackles in one game. From the NT spot.

What the **** did Dee Ford do to make sure he didn't tackle anybody at the college level with all of his Von Miller level talent? I mean seriously. There were three games this past season where he had 1 tackle. 1.

Trevor Reilly had two games where he had 14 tackles.

How the **** is Dee Ford going to make it in the NFL when he couldn't even tackle for shit at the college level?

How does a 6'3", 255 lbs. guy that runs a 4.53 40, benches 225 29 times get only 29 tackles for an entire season?

However, he sure does look good running without a shirt.





Vernon Gholston anyone?

Oh, and Luke Kuechly says "hi" and wants you to know that he's going to shove his college stats up your ass.

(And speaking of Kuechly, remember when I said he'd be NFL Defensive POY for the 2013 season? And people laughed and said "No way." Just saying...)

Seek help

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

ITT: Saccopoo still thinks NFL teams look at a stat line and form up their draft boards off of it. Players from the state of Utah are stacked at the top of boards.

You forgot if the player received all-conference honors or not.

[BryanBusby]

ahaha you're ****ing reeruned if you think he compares to Vernon Gholston

Your insight is about as wonderful as your opinion that Gabe Jackson was a first round pick.