If Grbac has a bad year, will the Chiefs go after Trent Green? - Page 2

TEX · 09-07-2000, 12:47 AM

Lets say that Grbac really has a bad year. In Raye's offense, that wouldn't surprise me especially if we fall behind early and often this season. Would the Chiefs pursue Trent Green? Or if Grbac was released, would the cap hit be too much. Could he be traded for Green and back up Warner. Again are the dollars involved too high here too? Wpuld Al Saundars come back to be the Chiefs OC? Any thoughts?

Clint in Wichita · 09-07-2000, 08:39 AM

If not Vick, then Brees, Quincy Carter, or even a trade for Bishop.

After Grbac finishes this season, I don't think it's going to take much at QB to impress the hell out of us.

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KCTitus · 09-07-2000, 08:42 AM

After THIS season?! I seem to recall last year that people were willing to go with Scott Mitchell, Stoney Case and any other AFC QB.

Clint in Wichita · 09-07-2000, 08:43 AM

Titus,

I can't speak for Cannibal, but I really would rather see the Chiefs go 3-13 and clean house, than go 9-7 or 10-6 with either a first round playoff exit or a narrow miss of the playoffs.

It's time for the Chiefs to take a few steps back, in order to move forward in the future. I can't tolerate a mediocre Chiefs team any longer.

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**ChiTown** · 09-07-2000, 08:51 AM

Titus -

It has been since Okoye and Word, that the Chiefs were feared as an offense. When we had Joe Montanna and Marcus Allen, they were in their twilight, and not nearly the players they once were. We have waited too long to get more offensive punch and depended on our defense way too much to keep us in games.

I think fans want to see some pop in the Offense and the ability to do more than 3 - out. CP has not shown the propensity or the ability to draft quality offensive talent. If that means 0-16 to get what we need, so be it. But to continue their current path is a longer death than I want to face.

KCTitus · 09-07-2000, 08:52 AM

Let us not forget how many times in the 80's that the Chiefs won 3,4 or even 5 games before they 'cleaned house'.

One 3-13 season will not remake this team. Indy had 15 years of picking an average of 8th overall and 3 times had the #1 pick overall with a #1 and #2 overall one of those years.

I doubt you'd be happy with 15 years of sub .500 football as long as we dont have Carl.

Dont get me wrong here, I would love a philosophy change and more focus put on the offensive side of the football. I dont believe that Carl is the one that is driving the philosophy. I believe that is the coaching staff and they are still clinging to the failures of Marty ball.

TEX · 09-07-2000, 08:53 AM

Clint,
the first step backwards was keeping the Stooges. They'll see to it that you get your wish.

The thing that gets me is that some people really believe that the Chiefs will finish 9-7 to 10-6 as usual. I suspect that ARROWHEAD comes into play here. Well, this Chiefs team is not the norm. They have lost their last 2 regular season games at Arrowhead and without a significant home firld advantage, and dominent defense this team is sunk. I had predicted 6-10 before the season and IMO the Chiefs will be lucky yo reach that.

I too hope a full rebuild is in order. If a collapse is in the cards - so be it! Grbac is NOT the answer. IMHO he represents a QBOTF plan that went bad. He's a backup and that's it. Also the RRBC will NOT work. That is something that really needs to go too!

Clint in Wichita · 09-07-2000, 08:57 AM

Of course, rebuilding won't work if you have a dunce making the draft picks.

Maybe Lamar should back a Brink's truck up to Bill Parcell's home.

Tom Donahoe will be looking for work, from what I've read.

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09-07-2000, 08:57 AM

Grbac was brought in here to replace a legend, whether on the downside of his career or not, he was still better than 75% of the QBs in the league. He leaves, Grbac, has one season in the West Coast offense, then along comes, no offense Jimmy Raye. How is it possible that the continuing problems are Elvis Grbac. However, I agree it is time for a complete overhaul, but I do not think Trent Green is the answer. The trend is for mobile QBs, of which Vick fills the bill, but I think the chances of getting him are remote, at best. Carter of Georgia, is a better possibility, but forget Drew Brees, he is shorter version of Elvis.

Spott · 09-07-2000, 08:58 AM

Vick is only a sophomore & won't be available until at least the 2002 draft if he came out a year early. I never thought Green was that good with the Redskins but he gets a lot of hype. If we could get one of the top QB's in the draft next year, it may be worth going 2-14. But the 2001 draft doesn't look that great QB-wise.

KCTitus · 09-07-2000, 08:58 AM

Pat: agreed, again, I do want more focus put on the offensive side of the football.

It's obvious KC doesnt value a passing game or KC would have more than 4 WR's on the roster.

KC does not have RB..NOT ONE on the roster. - Cloud is ST'er, not considered a RB.

QB is average at best.

No offensive focus.

This year's schedule is the one thing that could give us a high draft pick. However, I dont see Carl going anywhere anytime soon.

09-07-2000, 09:00 AM

Clint,

Donahoe's name has come up several times over the last few months and evidently nobody is paying attention.

If you want a change from what we have now, don't bring in Donahoe. He's a defense-first, run-oriented GM, who's had great luck drafting defense and no luck drafting skill players on offense. Sounds a whole lot like CP.

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Cannibal · 09-07-2000, 09:01 AM

Vick is a third year sophomore and will be eligible for the draft if he chooses to come out.

He'll be only 20 years old if he enters the draft next year.

If he plays as long as Warren Moon, he's looking at a LONG career with somebody.

Cannibal · 09-07-2000, 09:03 AM

I definitely don't want Carl in charge of selecting our high draft pick.

He'll probably take a gaurd to replace Szott.

KCTitus · 09-07-2000, 09:04 AM

Kordell Stewart and Jerome Bettis.

No thanks.

I checked out a Steeler website a few weeks back to see about what they thought of Donahoe and, amazingly, they hated him with about as much vigor as some here hate Carl. Couldn't quite imagine that. [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]

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TEX · 09-07-2000, 09:06 AM

Titus,
that's what I can't understand. If the Chiefs are so run happy, one would think that they would have a LEGIT RB on the roster! Just plains DUNB by any account.

Whlie we're all dreaming of a new GM., my vote goes to Jeff Diamond!

09-07-2000, 08:39 AM	#16
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	If not Vick, then Brees, Quincy Carter, or even a trade for Bishop. After Grbac finishes this season, I don't think it's going to take much at QB to impress the hell out of us. ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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09-07-2000, 08:42 AM	#17
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	After THIS season?! I seem to recall last year that people were willing to go with Scott Mitchell, Stoney Case and any other AFC QB.
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09-07-2000, 08:43 AM	#18
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Titus, I can't speak for Cannibal, but I really would rather see the Chiefs go 3-13 and clean house, than go 9-7 or 10-6 with either a first round playoff exit or a narrow miss of the playoffs. It's time for the Chiefs to take a few steps back, in order to move forward in the future. I can't tolerate a mediocre Chiefs team any longer. ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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09-07-2000, 08:51 AM	#19
ChiTown Stroking to the SB Champs! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flatlands of Kansas Casino cash: $1778962	Titus - It has been since Okoye and Word, that the Chiefs were feared as an offense. When we had Joe Montanna and Marcus Allen, they were in their twilight, and not nearly the players they once were. We have waited too long to get more offensive punch and depended on our defense way too much to keep us in games. I think fans want to see some pop in the Offense and the ability to do more than 3 - out. CP has not shown the propensity or the ability to draft quality offensive talent. If that means 0-16 to get what we need, so be it. But to continue their current path is a longer death than I want to face.
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09-07-2000, 08:52 AM	#20
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	Let us not forget how many times in the 80's that the Chiefs won 3,4 or even 5 games before they 'cleaned house'. One 3-13 season will not remake this team. Indy had 15 years of picking an average of 8th overall and 3 times had the #1 pick overall with a #1 and #2 overall one of those years. I doubt you'd be happy with 15 years of sub .500 football as long as we dont have Carl. Dont get me wrong here, I would love a philosophy change and more focus put on the offensive side of the football. I dont believe that Carl is the one that is driving the philosophy. I believe that is the coaching staff and they are still clinging to the failures of Marty ball.
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09-07-2000, 12:47 AM
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Galveston, TX Casino cash: $953127	Lets say that Grbac really has a bad year. In Raye's offense, that wouldn't surprise me especially if we fall behind early and often this season. Would the Chiefs pursue Trent Green? Or if Grbac was released, would the cap hit be too much. Could he be traded for Green and back up Warner. Again are the dollars involved too high here too? Wpuld Al Saundars come back to be the Chiefs OC? Any thoughts?
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09-07-2000, 08:53 AM	#21
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Galveston, TX Casino cash: $953127	Clint, the first step backwards was keeping the Stooges. They'll see to it that you get your wish. The thing that gets me is that some people really believe that the Chiefs will finish 9-7 to 10-6 as usual. I suspect that ARROWHEAD comes into play here. Well, this Chiefs team is not the norm. They have lost their last 2 regular season games at Arrowhead and without a significant home firld advantage, and dominent defense this team is sunk. I had predicted 6-10 before the season and IMO the Chiefs will be lucky yo reach that. I too hope a full rebuild is in order. If a collapse is in the cards - so be it! Grbac is NOT the answer. IMHO he represents a QBOTF plan that went bad. He's a backup and that's it. Also the RRBC will NOT work. That is something that really needs to go too!
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09-07-2000, 08:57 AM	#22
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Of course, rebuilding won't work if you have a dunce making the draft picks. Maybe Lamar should back a Brink's truck up to Bill Parcell's home. Tom Donahoe will be looking for work, from what I've read. ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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09-07-2000, 08:57 AM	#23
kcred Guest Casino cash: $	Grbac was brought in here to replace a legend, whether on the downside of his career or not, he was still better than 75% of the QBs in the league. He leaves, Grbac, has one season in the West Coast offense, then along comes, no offense Jimmy Raye. How is it possible that the continuing problems are Elvis Grbac. However, I agree it is time for a complete overhaul, but I do not think Trent Green is the answer. The trend is for mobile QBs, of which Vick fills the bill, but I think the chances of getting him are remote, at best. Carter of Georgia, is a better possibility, but forget Drew Brees, he is shorter version of Elvis.
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09-07-2000, 08:58 AM	#24
Spott Court Jester Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Orlando Casino cash: $1592400	Vick is only a sophomore & won't be available until at least the 2002 draft if he came out a year early. I never thought Green was that good with the Redskins but he gets a lot of hype. If we could get one of the top QB's in the draft next year, it may be worth going 2-14. But the 2001 draft doesn't look that great QB-wise.
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09-07-2000, 09:00 AM	#26
htismaqe Guest Casino cash: $	Clint, Donahoe's name has come up several times over the last few months and evidently nobody is paying attention. If you want a change from what we have now, don't bring in Donahoe. He's a defense-first, run-oriented GM, who's had great luck drafting defense and no luck drafting skill players on offense. Sounds a whole lot like CP. ------------------ Parker [b]ChiefsPlanet Administrator[/b] [i]Jimmy Raye for President...anything to get him out of Kansas City[/i] [i]More Moreau</I>
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09-07-2000, 09:01 AM	#27
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Vick is a third year sophomore and will be eligible for the draft if he chooses to come out. He'll be only 20 years old if he enters the draft next year. If he plays as long as Warren Moon, he's looking at a LONG career with somebody.
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09-07-2000, 09:03 AM	#28
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	I definitely don't want Carl in charge of selecting our high draft pick. He'll probably take a gaurd to replace Szott.
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09-07-2000, 09:04 AM	#29
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	Kordell Stewart and Jerome Bettis. No thanks. I checked out a Steeler website a few weeks back to see about what they thought of Donahoe and, amazingly, they hated him with about as much vigor as some here hate Carl. Couldn't quite imagine that. [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] [This message has been edited by KCTitus (edited 09-07-2000).]
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09-07-2000, 09:06 AM	#30
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Galveston, TX Casino cash: $953127	Titus, that's what I can't understand. If the Chiefs are so run happy, one would think that they would have a LEGIT RB on the roster! Just plains DUNB by any account. Whlie we're all dreaming of a new GM., my vote goes to Jeff Diamond!
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