A lot of good, WR & DE DT in the draft - Page 2

RedThat · 01-09-2006, 09:06 AM

KC should have their eyes set on Haloti Ngata from Oregon.

htismaqe · 01-09-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

KC should have their eyes set on Haloti Ngata from Oregon.

He'll go way before we pick.

RedThat · 01-09-2006, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He'll go way before we pick.

Well, how about Roderick Wright from Texas? What do you think of him?

NaptownChief · 01-09-2006, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by arc

I'm officially announcing my draft pimpdom for this WR .

Haas will probably fall to the 3rd or 4th round if his 40 speed is in the 4.7 range like many speculate. I wouldn't let that bother me too much as he is pretty polished and knows who to get open. If he is around in the 3rd I would give him a serious look. 4th round doesn't matter as we got Herm Average with that pick.

Overall the WR draft board is pretty thin this year after being pretty stocked the last couple. Hagan from ASU is about the only sure fire 1st rounder....could very well be there when we pick at the 20th spot. Wouldn't be a be choice from what I can tell about the kid. Jeff Smardizilla is probably the other WR worthy of a 1st round pick but looks pretty certain he is staying in school. Santonio Holmes from OSU is coming out early and will be a 1st/2nd round type depending on his 40 times. Chad Jackson from Florida is coming out early and probably made a mistake. The thin WR class probably influenced his decision. Could be a late 1st rounder is a WR desparate team has already seen Hagan and Holmes go earlier...Jackson didn't do much against the good SEC teams and based on that would be a guy I would want before the 3rd round at the earliest.

ct · 01-09-2006, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

The guy is rock in the run game occupies blockers which will free up DJ, Kawika, and Fox

So will Richard Seymour, which we know. Another high pick for a DT? No thanks.

NaptownChief · 01-09-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

KC should have their eyes set on Haloti Ngata from Oregon.

Because of the heritage and the school would make most of us sour on this kid....But unlike Siavii, Ngata actually made plays when he was on the field at Oregon.

I would imagine that Herm Average, if he has control of the draft which is unlikely, but if he is will go defense. In his 5 drafts with the Jets, if you look at all the semi-important picks of 5th round and higher out of the 25 picks he had 16 went on defense. That is after most of the top picks in the 3 years leading up to him taking over also being spent on defense(Shuan Ellis, John Abraham, Dorian Boose, James Farrior, Rick Terry)

NaptownChief · 01-09-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nascher

beside Mario Williams there are very few sure picks at DE or DT i wouldn't consider this draft strong at DE/DT.

I didn't see enough games of the alledged top DT's so there isn't any that I would be fired up to get....at DE Tamba Hali and Mathias Kiwi are two that I would be very happy to get at the 20th pick.

htismaqe · 01-09-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Well, how about Roderick Wright from Texas? What do you think of him?

Like just about every DT coming out in the last 10 years, he's got big upside and concerns about his work ethic.

I just can't imagine spending another high pick on a DT. We have so many other areas of need that we've neglected while trying to hit on a DT pick.

penchief · 01-09-2006, 09:38 AM

At the risk of sounding like a Penn State homer, I would love to see DE Tamba Hali fall to us at 20. That guy has a non-stop motor and creates havoc on nearly every passing play. He lives in the offense's backfield.

RedThat · 01-09-2006, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Like just about every DT coming out in the last 10 years, he's got big upside and concerns about his work ethic.

I just can't imagine spending another high pick on a DT. We have so many other areas of need that we've neglected while trying to hit on a DT pick.

True....But, DT is the most pressing need on this team imo

Well, the whole D-line is...lol

nascher · 01-09-2006, 10:13 AM

DE is more pressing at DT you can plug the hole with "cheap" fa like Dalton but you won't get a cheap DE who can russ the passer (like Allen).

RedThat · 01-09-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by nascher

DE is more pressing at DT you can plug the hole with "cheap" fa like Dalton but you won't get a cheap DE who can russ the passer (like Allen).

I disagree. I think DT is more important. Our DT's are horrible. We can't get a good push up the middle. We lack that pressure from the interior part of our line. We can't apply pressure up the middle and collapse the pocket.

I do think we could use an upgrade at DE though. I just wouldn't place DE as more of a priority over DT. DT should come first imo

NaptownChief · 01-09-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I disagree. I think DT is more important. Our DT's are horrible. We can't get a good push up the middle. We lack that pressure from the interior part of our line. We can't apply pressure up the middle and collapse the pocket.

I do think we could use an upgrade at DE though. I just wouldn't place DE as more of a priority over DT. DT should come first imo

I agree that the biggest hole was DT but it all comes down to if what we saw is pretty much what we are going to get out of Sims and Siavii's big fat arse's. If so then DT needs addressed. However I wouldn't address it in the draft. I would make that a focus with any free agent money that is spent and get somebody proven. I think everyone associated with the team is tender and too snake bitten to spend another high draft pick on a DT after Sims, Freeman, Downing and Siavii.

htismaqe · 01-09-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

I agree that the biggest hole was DT but it all comes down to if what we saw is pretty much what we are going to get out of Sims and Siavii's big fat arse's. If so then DT needs addressed. However I wouldn't address it in the draft. I would make that a focus with any free agent money that is spent and get somebody proven. I think everyone associated with the team is tender and too snake bitten to spend another high draft pick on a DT after Sims, Freeman, Downing and Siavii.

Probably true...

NaptownChief · 01-09-2006, 11:09 AM

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Probably true...

If Grady Jackson doesn't die of a heart attack between now and then I would try and sign him to plug the run and take Daltons spot. He looks to be in such poor shape however I can't believe he could be an every down player.

We could also get our 1st round pick back for Trent Green...Damione Lewis is a UFA...

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