News Bannister Mall: the new home of the Wizards. Watch KC screw this up. - Page 2

**BigRedChief** · 12-06-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

There's got to be a better project than a soccer stadium that they can build there, right?

Bass Pro shop was going to put a huge store right in the middle of the Bannister Mall. Build a hotel and other entertainment attractions themed around the western trails era.

Hundreds of Millions were going to be invested. But they wanted this TIF also. KC balked and the area shut down. And Bass Pro went to Independence got the TIF and are buidling a massive store at the corner of 291 and I-70.

Silock · 12-06-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

How many people attend Wizard games?

Around 10,000 per game; more if we're doing well.

Psyko Tek · 12-05-2012, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

There's got to be a better project than a soccer stadium that they can build there, right?

How many people attend Wizard games?

Is it possible to build a dual use fascility that can be used for convention space the other 350 days a year?

so storage?
ahh my bad I read that as conventional space
sorry no love for soccer , or base ball
or hockey

not sure about soccer but no cheerleaders NOT A SPORT
dancerts county, strippers get double extra points and a slap on the ass

NJChiefsFan · 12-05-2012, 02:29 AM

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not sure about soccer but no cheerleaders NOT A SPORT
dancerts county, strippers get double extra points and a slap on the ass

Three of the most recent SB winners don't have cheerleaders. Giants, Steelers, and Packers.

Valiant · 12-06-2007, 08:38 AM

I wouldn't want the superTIF to pass either.. The private enterprise there wants it for 23 years, and that is not counting all the other discounts the city is giving them.. They literally want everything free to them..

I do find it funny that the amounts are so different when you hear them from the developers side and the city's side... Going to side on the city since they are the one footing the bill..

Pitt Gorilla · 12-06-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

I wouldn't want the superTIF to pass either.. The private enterprise there wants it for 23 years, and that is not counting all the other discounts the city is giving them.. They literally want everything free to them..

I do find it funny that the amounts are so different when you hear them from the developers side and the city's side... Going to side on the city since they are the one footing the bill..

They also want the city to own the stadium. I think the mayor is right in this case.

Valiant · 12-06-2007, 08:40 AM

Also of Funk's pledges when he was running was to cut down on TIFs.. There is a great article in the Pitch that shows that all of these new shopping areas have not provided the revenue generating power or jobs they said they would.. This includes Legends... The city or citizens have not gotten back anything in return for these places...

hawkchief · 12-06-2007, 08:54 AM

F the plan, and F soccer. Simply a plan for a bunch of developers to get rich-quick - cloaked in "it's great for the city" BS.

**BigRedChief** · 12-06-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by hawkchief

F the plan, and F soccer. Simply a plan for a bunch of developers to get rich-quick - cloaked in "it's great for the city" BS.

Thats the reality of business. If they don't get the money they will go down the street to the next city, as Bass Pro Shops did.

Doesn't make it right. It is what it is. Why should we pay millions of $'s to a staium for a team to play in but we have no say in how that team is run. Basically, Taxation without represntation. But we got to vote so we said it was okay to do to us.

There will be no tax increase to the public but maybe there still should be a vote?

Valiant · 12-06-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Thats the reality of business. If they don't get the money they will go down the street to the next city, as Bass Pro Shops did.

Doesn't make it right. It is what it is. Why should we pay millions of $'s to a staium for a team to play in but we have no say in how that team is run. Basically, Taxation without represntation. But we got to vote so we said it was okay to do to us.

There will be no tax increase to the public but maybe there still should be a vote?

Other then the fact that the developers are asking for more then the original TIF.. They want it for over 23 years... The other thing that pisses me off about these places is they dilapidate other areas.. No new revenue is created from these things, just stolen from other areas near by...

Lets take the northland

Barrytowne got a small TIF to be built, promised close to 1000 jobs and new business.. It has about ten jobs and 400 employees in all the stores.. It also helped further the decline of Metro North..

Then you got Zona Rosa coming with its TIF, owned by the same company as Barrytowne.. It stole businesses from Barrytrail and Metro North.. So now those places are sitting empty or soon to be empty once Circuit City moves to Zona.. Metro North is practically dead, but guess what they are talking about getting a TIF to redevelop that also..

Kylo Ren · 12-06-2007, 09:32 AM

I HATE soccer.

But, I would like to see something cool built in the Bannister mall area.

12-06-2007, 09:36 AM

That area is a wasteland. What is soccer going to do for it? Seems pretty flipp'n stupid to me.

Valiant · 12-06-2007, 09:51 AM

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That area is a wasteland. What is soccer going to do for it? Seems pretty flipp'n stupid to me.

The only benefit will be the fields and stadium for their limited use.. Guess what most of the local kids will not be able to play there..They are going to use those fields to draw in kids/leagues from outside the state, not the kids from around the metro area...

Funny how the Star leaves that out most of the time.. Most of those businesses that go in will be vacant also within a few years..

And I am starting to wonder about the STARS angle on attacking Funk on every decision.. It is sad that the Pitch is 10x the newspaper then the Star with investigation articles...

memyselfI · 12-06-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

That area is a wasteland. What is soccer going to do for it? Seems pretty flipp'n stupid to me.

Hopefully the same thing a race track did for WYCO...

on a different scale, of course.

JohnnyV13 · 12-06-2007, 12:52 PM

A 23 year tax exemption is CRAZY. That development will be dead in 23 years, leaving the city with no revenue stream from the deal.

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Valiant Valiant 'The Thread Killer' Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6252380	I wouldn't want the superTIF to pass either.. The private enterprise there wants it for 23 years, and that is not counting all the other discounts the city is giving them.. They literally want everything free to them.. I do find it funny that the amounts are so different when you hear them from the developers side and the city's side... Going to side on the city since they are the one footing the bill..
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Valiant Valiant 'The Thread Killer' Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6252380	Also of Funk's pledges when he was running was to cut down on TIFs.. There is a great article in the Pitch that shows that all of these new shopping areas have not provided the revenue generating power or jobs they said they would.. This includes Legends... The city or citizens have not gotten back anything in return for these places...
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JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $6115200	A 23 year tax exemption is CRAZY. That development will be dead in 23 years, leaving the city with no revenue stream from the deal.
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