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**Tribal Warfare** · 02-25-2012, 01:06 AM

Chiefs plan to have competition for quarterback Cassel
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Of the players who served as a backup quarterback for the Chiefs the last three seasons, none could be considered a serious candidate to take Matt Cassel’s starting job.

General manager Scott Pioli said he couldn’t promise the Chiefs would find a more significant challenge for Cassel this year. But he indicated that if the Chiefs failed, it wouldn’t be for a lack of trying.

Just as it wasn’t, Pioli said, the last three seasons.

“The answer is yes, there’s going to be competition at quarterback,” Pioli said Thursday at the NFL scouting combine. “But that doesn’t make it different from any other year. That’s not different from the past.

“I don’t think we haven’t tried (to bring in competition for Cassel). Part of it was circumstances. When we traded for Matt, he was coming to a program that had two starting quarterbacks here already. It’s easy to sit here now and say, ‘You can’t say player X wasn’t competition.’ That’s not fair. Look at it in the snapshot of that place and time. It certainly appeared there was going to be competition.”

Tyler Thigpen and Brodie Croyle were the Chiefs’ quarterbacks when they traded for Cassel three years ago. Neither has been a productive player since leaving the Chiefs.

Matt Gutierrez, Tyler Palko, Ricky Stanzi and Kyle Orton have been quarterbacks who have come, and in some cases gone, since.

Stanzi, who was drafted last year, is the only Chiefs quarterback other than Cassel under contract for next season. Orton played in four games for the Chiefs last season after Cassel injured his hand and was lost for the year.

“Last year, free-agency never started (until training camp),” Pioli said. “We had Matt on the roster. We had Tyler on the roster. We had Ricky, who we drafted. We didn’t draft someone high who was perceived as competition, but I’ll say this: I think Ricky is competition. Let’s not get lost in where a guy was drafted as to whether or not he’s a player. This league has shown time and time again at many positions, including this particular position, that where a player is drafted doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with how good he is or how good he becomes.

“You just don’t wave a wand and magically say, ‘There’s competition.’ We drafted a quarterback last year who I truly believe has good ability and has the potential to start in this league. I really do believe that.”

With only Cassel and Stanzi signed for 2012, the Chiefs will add at least one quarterback and probably two before training camp starts in July. Veteran possibilities include Peyton Manning, if he’s released by Indianapolis.

Two other free-agent possibilities are Chad Henne, who played for Miami last year with new Chiefs offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, and Jason Campbell, who played two seasons for Washington under Jim Zorn, now the Chiefs’ quarterbacks coach.

“You don’t know what’s going to happen in free-agency and you don’t know what you’re going to be able to get done,” Pioli said. “Quarterback seems to be one of those positions where there’s pretty good ones, veteran guys who are cut and have outpriced their role.

“So you don’t know about quarterbacks (in free-agency). You can’t create a person out of nothing. Availability and circumstances are (key factors in acquiring a quarterback). You can only work with the pool of players you can work with even though you might have certain intentions.”

The draft is another option for the Chiefs to add a quarterback.

“My hope and strong desire is to draft a quarterback every single year,” Pioli said. “There’s great value in that. Last year I didn’t know if we were going to draft (a quarterback) in the first, second, third, fourth, fifth round, but we ended up drafting a guy who a number of us really like and really think can be a starter in the National Football League.”

One of Pioli’s first moves after joining the Chiefs three years ago was to trade for Cassel, who was coming off a strong season as a starter for New England. Cassel had a big season for the Chiefs in 2010, when he made the Pro Bowl.

Otherwise, he has struggled to fulfill Pioli’s vision for him. Last year, the Chiefs struggled at the start after losing running back Jamaal Charles and tight end Tony Moeaki for the season with injuries.

Cassel’s season ended after nine games because of the broken hand.

“In 2010, Matt was certainly on his way to becoming that player, on his way to becoming a good NFL quarterback,” Pioli said. “He was winning games and he was producing and he was a reason good things were happening.

“This past year was a tough set of circumstances to measure and evaluate his progress. I don’t ever want to make excuses for a team or a player, but playing without one of the best young running backs in the National Football League and playing without one of the

**RealSNR** · 02-25-2012, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

Talking can's head will implode

Talking can's rants are the only bright spot in this Patriot Way bullshit era we're going through.

beach tribe · 02-25-2012, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

If he flips, it will be because the Chiefs fell ass over tea kettle into a good QB, whether that's Stanzi, Orton, a later draft pick, or a free agent. It sure as **** ain't coming from Cassel.

No it's not. The fact that Pioli considers those other QBs as competition tells me that he doesn't think as much of Cassel as most here believe he does.

Oh, and "IF" he flips? That's funny right there.

beach tribe · 02-25-2012, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Talking can's rants are the only bright spot in this Patriot Way bullshit era we're going through.

"Pioli sucks".

Rinse and repeat.

Chiefs Pantalones · 02-25-2012, 01:41 AM

I'm tired of Pioli. His continued belief in Cassel makes me believe even more that Belichick was the brains behind the Patriots success. Mostly Brady but you know.

Chiefs=Champions · 02-25-2012, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Talking can's rants are the only bright spot in this Patriot Way bullshit era we're going through.

I agree. Hopefully this inspires another. Lets watch!

beach tribe · 02-25-2012, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

HEY FAT ****:

Kyle Orton had NO running game and NO tight end in Denver and he at least looked like a competent NFL quarterback who could move the ball through the air with some degree of effiency.

A couple of injuries and your boy Cassel ****ING DIES and TURNS TO SHIT.

NO ONE BUYS YOUR BULLSHIT PIOLI. WE SEE THROUGH YOU.

EAT SHIT, FAT BOY.

The smart thing for him to do, would be to come out, and say that Cassel is a worthless POS. God I wish you were our head of PR.

Hammock Parties · 02-25-2012, 01:45 AM

No, he could actually man up and say we haven't had legit competition here before.

HE COULD TELL THE ****ING TRUTH.

Scott Pioli is going to burn in hell, because he is a ****ing liar.

**007** · 02-25-2012, 01:52 AM

CoMoChief · 02-25-2012, 01:57 AM

For God's sake I hope he really doesn't consider Thigpen, Croyle, Palko, Guiterrez, and Stanzi as "real" competition, especially considering what Cassel makes compared to all of them combined. If I'm supposed to believe for one ****ing second that Pioli really wants competition at the QB position, then sign Kyle Orton or make a play for Peyton Manning (assuming he's healthy).

**BossChief** · 02-25-2012, 02:55 AM

It is absolutely infuriating that this guy thinks he can lie right to our face and that we will just gladly continue to buy his bullshit.

If he doesn't move on from Cassel WHEN he is CLEARLY BEATEN in training camp and preseason AGAIN, I will be done saying anything good about him.

There are three REAL signings that will show me he is speaking the truth about this "qb competition"

1) sign Peyton Manning
2) sign Kyle Orton
3) send a late rounder to Miami for Matt Moore

Other than that, there are only two moves during the draft that will be sufficient.

Move up for RG3
Draft Ryan Tannehill (I'm not in love, but it would be a solid gesture)

Anything else and Scott Pioli can go **** himself in the ass with a muffin pan for all I care because it doesn't matter how good a roster the guy builds if he is gay secks in love with that pussy Matt Cassel that is literally scared of defenses hitting him.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-25-2012, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

It is absolutely infuriating that this guy thinks he can lie right to our face and that we will just gladly continue to buy his bullshit.

If he doesn't move on from Cassel WHEN he is CLEARLY BEATEN in training camp and preseason AGAIN, I will be done saying anything good about him.

There are three REAL signings that will show me he is speaking the truth about this "qb competition"

1) sign Peyton Manning
2) sign Kyle Orton
3) send a late rounder to Miami for Matt Moore

Other than that, there are only two moves during the draft that will be sufficient.

Move up for RG3
Draft Ryan Tannehill (I'm not in love, but it would be a solid gesture)

Anything else and Scott Pioli can go **** himself in the ass with a muffin pan for all I care because it doesn't matter how good a roster the guy builds if he is gay secks in love with that pussy Matt Cassel that is literally scared of defenses hitting him.

All of this is pretty much why the Chiefs have become 15th on my list of favorite 3 sports teams over the years. I'll believe they're actually going to try when they actually try. In the meantime I like baseball and college basketball better anyway.

**BossChief** · 02-25-2012, 03:02 AM

I'm an honest, hard working guy and there are four things I can't stand.

Thieves

Liars

People that insult my intelligence

Disrespect

Pioli pretty much ran the table on those in this article.

Also, **** the bullshit Kansas city star with that same muffin pan.

This whole article and they decide to leave out the quote that Pioli straight up says Cassel is the starter and everyone knows it.

I'm getting dangerous close to saying **** this team because we have no chance at winning a championship with Matt Bledsoe and no matter how much Scott wants to lie about it, he has no intentions of bringing in legit competition.

Go read the quote that he talks about Orton and how Kyle wants to look around for a place he can start.

That's all you need to know, guys.

It really is.

Kyle ****ing Orton doesn't want to sign here because he KNOWS he can't start here.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-25-2012, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

This whole article and they decide to leave out the quote that Pioli straight up says Cassel is the starter and everyone knows it.

I'm getting dangerous close to saying **** this team because we have no chance at winning a championship with Matt Bledsoe and no matter how much Scott wants to lie about it, he has no intentions of bringing in legit competition.

Don't fret BC the real season is just around the corner.

Fritz88 · 02-25-2012, 03:11 AM

If these is one position that is dictated by where a player is drafted, it would be the QB position.

Pioli still believes he can pull another Brady.
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**BigMeatballDave** · 02-25-2012, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

I'm an honest, hard working guy and there are four things I can't stand.

Thieves

Liars

People that insult my intelligence

Disrespect

Pioli pretty much ran the table on those in this article.

Also, **** the bullshit Kansas city star with that same muffin pan.

This whole article and they decide to leave out the quote that Pioli straight up says Cassel is the starter and everyone knows it.

I'm getting dangerous close to saying **** this team because we have no chance at winning a championship with Matt Bledsoe and no matter how much Scott wants to lie about it, he has no intentions of bringing in legit competition.

Go read the quote that he talks about Orton and how Kyle wants to look around for a place he can start.

That's all you need to know, guys.

It really is.

Kyle ****ing Orton doesn't want to sign here because he KNOWS he can't start here.

02-25-2012, 01:06 AM
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $552813	Teicher: Chiefs plan to have competition for quarterback Cassel Chiefs plan to have competition for quarterback Cassel By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Of the players who served as a backup quarterback for the Chiefs the last three seasons, none could be considered a serious candidate to take Matt Cassel’s starting job. General manager Scott Pioli said he couldn’t promise the Chiefs would find a more significant challenge for Cassel this year. But he indicated that if the Chiefs failed, it wouldn’t be for a lack of trying. Just as it wasn’t, Pioli said, the last three seasons. “The answer is yes, there’s going to be competition at quarterback,” Pioli said Thursday at the NFL scouting combine. “But that doesn’t make it different from any other year. That’s not different from the past. “I don’t think we haven’t tried (to bring in competition for Cassel). Part of it was circumstances. When we traded for Matt, he was coming to a program that had two starting quarterbacks here already. It’s easy to sit here now and say, ‘You can’t say player X wasn’t competition.’ That’s not fair. Look at it in the snapshot of that place and time. It certainly appeared there was going to be competition.” Tyler Thigpen and Brodie Croyle were the Chiefs’ quarterbacks when they traded for Cassel three years ago. Neither has been a productive player since leaving the Chiefs. Matt Gutierrez, Tyler Palko, Ricky Stanzi and Kyle Orton have been quarterbacks who have come, and in some cases gone, since. Stanzi, who was drafted last year, is the only Chiefs quarterback other than Cassel under contract for next season. Orton played in four games for the Chiefs last season after Cassel injured his hand and was lost for the year. “Last year, free-agency never started (until training camp),” Pioli said. “We had Matt on the roster. We had Tyler on the roster. We had Ricky, who we drafted. We didn’t draft someone high who was perceived as competition, but I’ll say this: I think Ricky is competition. Let’s not get lost in where a guy was drafted as to whether or not he’s a player. This league has shown time and time again at many positions, including this particular position, that where a player is drafted doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with how good he is or how good he becomes. “You just don’t wave a wand and magically say, ‘There’s competition.’ We drafted a quarterback last year who I truly believe has good ability and has the potential to start in this league. I really do believe that.” With only Cassel and Stanzi signed for 2012, the Chiefs will add at least one quarterback and probably two before training camp starts in July. Veteran possibilities include Peyton Manning, if he’s released by Indianapolis. Two other free-agent possibilities are Chad Henne, who played for Miami last year with new Chiefs offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, and Jason Campbell, who played two seasons for Washington under Jim Zorn, now the Chiefs’ quarterbacks coach. “You don’t know what’s going to happen in free-agency and you don’t know what you’re going to be able to get done,” Pioli said. “Quarterback seems to be one of those positions where there’s pretty good ones, veteran guys who are cut and have outpriced their role. “So you don’t know about quarterbacks (in free-agency). You can’t create a person out of nothing. Availability and circumstances are (key factors in acquiring a quarterback). You can only work with the pool of players you can work with even though you might have certain intentions.” The draft is another option for the Chiefs to add a quarterback. “My hope and strong desire is to draft a quarterback every single year,” Pioli said. “There’s great value in that. Last year I didn’t know if we were going to draft (a quarterback) in the first, second, third, fourth, fifth round, but we ended up drafting a guy who a number of us really like and really think can be a starter in the National Football League.” One of Pioli’s first moves after joining the Chiefs three years ago was to trade for Cassel, who was coming off a strong season as a starter for New England. Cassel had a big season for the Chiefs in 2010, when he made the Pro Bowl. Otherwise, he has struggled to fulfill Pioli’s vision for him. Last year, the Chiefs struggled at the start after losing running back Jamaal Charles and tight end Tony Moeaki for the season with injuries. Cassel’s season ended after nine games because of the broken hand. “In 2010, Matt was certainly on his way to becoming that player, on his way to becoming a good NFL quarterback,” Pioli said. “He was winning games and he was producing and he was a reason good things were happening. “This past year was a tough set of circumstances to measure and evaluate his progress. I don’t ever want to make excuses for a team or a player, but playing without one of the best young running backs in the National Football League and playing without one of the
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4350478	No, he could actually man up and say we haven't had legit competition here before. HE COULD TELL THE **ING TRUTH. Scott Pioli is going to burn in hell, because he is a **ing liar. __________________ Chiefs game films
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8022254	For God's sake I hope he really doesn't consider Thigpen, Croyle, Palko, Guiterrez, and Stanzi as "real" competition, especially considering what Cassel makes compared to all of them combined. If I'm supposed to believe for one ****ing second that Pioli really wants competition at the QB position, then sign Kyle Orton or make a play for Peyton Manning (assuming he's healthy).
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02-25-2012, 02:55 AM	#25
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1534088	It is absolutely infuriating that this guy thinks he can lie right to our face and that we will just gladly continue to buy his bullshit. If he doesn't move on from Cassel WHEN he is CLEARLY BEATEN in training camp and preseason AGAIN, I will be done saying anything good about him. There are three REAL signings that will show me he is speaking the truth about this "qb competition" 1) sign Peyton Manning 2) sign Kyle Orton 3) send a late rounder to Miami for Matt Moore Other than that, there are only two moves during the draft that will be sufficient. Move up for RG3 Draft Ryan Tannehill (I'm not in love, but it would be a solid gesture) Anything else and Scott Pioli can go **** himself in the ass with a muffin pan for all I care because it doesn't matter how good a roster the guy builds if he is gay secks in love with that pussy Matt Cassel that is literally scared of defenses hitting him. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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02-25-2012, 03:02 AM	#27
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1534088	I'm an honest, hard working guy and there are four things I can't stand. Thieves Liars People that insult my intelligence Disrespect Pioli pretty much ran the table on those in this article. Also, ** the bullshit Kansas city star with that same muffin pan. This whole article and they decide to leave out the quote that Pioli straight up says Cassel is the starter and everyone knows it. I'm getting dangerous close to saying this team because we have no chance at winning a championship with Matt Bledsoe and no matter how much Scott wants to lie about it, he has no intentions of bringing in legit competition. Go read the quote that he talks about Orton and how Kyle wants to look around for a place he can start. That's all you need to know, guys. It really is. Kyle **ing Orton doesn't want to sign here because he KNOWS he can't start here. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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