Chiefs How old was Rich Ganon before he was a franchise QB? - Page 2

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-12-2010, 08:24 PM

I keep reading how Cassel is 28 and he is in his sixth season and if he hasn't gotten it by now, he never will. Perhaps we should look at someone who had very similar numbers through his first six seasons.

Rich Gannon was drafted in 1987 by the Pats to be a defensive back. When he bristled at the idea, he was traded to Minnesota. In 1990, Gannon started 12 games. The Vikings had a 11-5 record, and the coaches went with Sean Salisbury. He played a lot over the years 1990-1992. He played in at least 12 games in each of those years, and never had more than 2278 yards. his passer rating was never more than 81.5. in 1990, he had 16 td's and 16 Int's. In 1991, he had 12 td's and 6 int's. in 1992, he had 12 Td's and 13 Int's. 1992 was his sixth season.

In 1993, he was picked up by the Redskins. He had three td's and seven interceptions. He played in only seven games. This was his seventh season.

His eighth season didn't come until 1995 because he was out of football in 1994. He had rotator cuff surgery in 1993, but no one was knocking down his door to get him under contract.

In 1995, Gannon worked out for the Chiefs and signed with the team as the BACKUP to Bono. He was a team player. A guy that would be the backup and not complain. A hard worker. The kind of player that coaches like.

He saw action in four games in 1996. He finally started to 'get it'. This was his 9th season. But, the Chiefs didn't have any faith in him and still went out and got Grbac. I believe Gannon signed a two year extension in 1996 because no one wanted him to be a starter.

Over the course of 1997 and 1998, he started a total of 16 games and played in a total of 21. His passer rating was about 80 over those two years. He threw for 3349 yards in those two seasons combined.

This was years 10 and 11.

The Raiders rewarded Gannon's mediocre numbers over his 11 seasons in the league with an opportunity to win the starting job.

We all know how it turned out.

This is a folk hero around these parts.... and yet, through his first 10 seasons, he was not an extremely accurate passer. He didn't throw downfield very well. He struggled to read defenses. And he was athletic.

Oh, AND he took a ton of sacks. He was sacked 302 times in 4206 pass attempts.

Heck, he wasn't even drafted to be a QB.

Through his first six seasons, Gannon had thrown 1003 passes. He had completed 561 passes. He completed 55.9% of his passes. He had 40 TD's and 36 Int's. He averaged 6.4 yards per attempt. He averaged 11.5 yards per completion. He had 81 sacks, or at about 8 percent of his pass attempts.

Through Cassel's first six seasons, he has thrown 1154 passes. He has completed 678 of them. He is completing 58.7% of his passes. He has 43 TD's. He has 32 Int's. He has averaged 6.5 yards per attempt. He has averaged 11.09 yards per completion. He has 96 sacks, which is about 8% of his pass attempts.

Will Cassel be Gannon? Probably not. But, Gannon wasn't Gannon until his 12th season in the league.... or twice as long as Cassel has been in the league...... That is when Gannon really got it and became a pro bowl QB.

Thig Lyfe · 10-12-2010, 08:36 PM

Well, I'm convinced.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-12-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

We definitely want to model ourselves after the Raiders.

stevieray · 10-12-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Where are all the posts reminding us about the Trent Green situation? How everyone was sure that this place criticized Green as sharply as Cassel and that the former proved all these non-GMs wrong?

They were pervasive leading up to the start of the season. Wonder why they stopped?

Green played worse his first year...and this season isn't over, well, at least for a few people.

RustShack · 10-12-2010, 08:40 PM

Well according to this, if he does become a good QB, it wont be with us.

Deberg_1990 · 10-12-2010, 08:41 PM

Its amazing to me the lengths fans will go to to try and polish a turd...

**DeezNutz** · 10-12-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Green played worse his first year...and this season isn't over, well, at least for a few people.

There's no question that Green was playing in a far more complicated offensive system, and our WRs were notably worse, too.

I don't know anyone who isn't excited about this season on the whole, let alone writing it off. For me, I'm hopeful for playoffs and a bit of noise.

And then I'm hopeful we shed our weakest link and get ready to compete for the whole thing.

DJ's left nut · 10-12-2010, 08:42 PM

How long until we hear about Jim Plunkett?

This is ****ing pathetic.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-12-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Where are all the posts reminding us about the Trent Green situation? How everyone was sure that this place criticized Green as sharply as Cassel and that the former proved all these non-GMs wrong?

They were pervasive leading up to the start of the season. Wonder why they stopped? And now it's Gannon?

Green was in his 10th season before he put it together in KC. Green was 32 at the time...

milkman · 10-12-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Where are all the posts reminding us about the Trent Green situation? How everyone was sure that this place criticized Green as sharply as Cassel and that the former proved all these non-GMs wrong?

They were pervasive leading up to the start of the season. Wonder why they stopped? And now it's Gannon?

Their coat tails aren't as pervasive as the coat tails you are riding.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-12-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

There's no question that Green was playing in a far more complicated offensive system, and our WRs were notably worse, too.

I don't know anyone who isn't excited about this season on the whole, let alone writing it off. For me, I'm hopeful for playoffs and a bit of noise.

And then I'm hopeful we shed our weakest link and get ready to compete for the whole thing.

Wrong. Our WR's were not worse. Eddie Kennison was better than ANY WR on this team.

The offensive line was better. The running backs were better. The TE was better.

Dante Hall was similar to McCluster.

stevieray · 10-12-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

There's no question that Green was playing in a far more complicated offensive system, and our WRs were notably worse, too.

I don't know anyone who isn't excited about this season on the whole, let alone writing it off. For me, I'm hopeful for playoffs and a bit of noise.

And then I'm hopeful we shed our weakest link and get ready to compete for the whole thing.

ya, and he had the same OC for his first two seasons.
...worse WR's? that's a wash.

**DeezNutz** · 10-12-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Green was in his 10th season before he put it together in KC. Green was 32 at the time...

Green had "put it together" before arriving in KC, but Rodney Harrison broke it apart.

The Green-Cassel comparisons hold no water, other than they both play QB, unfortunately for us as it pertains to Matt Edwards.

siberian khatru · 10-12-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

How long until we hear about Jim Plunkett?

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-12-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

So Cassel needs to get a hell of a lot more experience(and I'm assuming Gannon played QB in college, putting him ahead of the curve). THEN we need to injure his arm. Yeah I'd rather just draft a QB with more upside and get a better product in less time.

Gannon played at Delaware. Cassel is actually ahead of where Gannon was in his sixth season.

**DeezNutz** · 10-12-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Wrong. Our WR's were not worse. Eddie Kennison was better than ANY WR on this team.

The offensive line was better. The running backs were better. The TE was better.

Dante Hall was similar to McCluster.

2001, when Green was TrINT.

10-12-2010, 08:24 PM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	How old was Rich Ganon before he was a franchise QB? I keep reading how Cassel is 28 and he is in his sixth season and if he hasn't gotten it by now, he never will. Perhaps we should look at someone who had very similar numbers through his first six seasons. Rich Gannon was drafted in 1987 by the Pats to be a defensive back. When he bristled at the idea, he was traded to Minnesota. In 1990, Gannon started 12 games. The Vikings had a 11-5 record, and the coaches went with Sean Salisbury. He played a lot over the years 1990-1992. He played in at least 12 games in each of those years, and never had more than 2278 yards. his passer rating was never more than 81.5. in 1990, he had 16 td's and 16 Int's. In 1991, he had 12 td's and 6 int's. in 1992, he had 12 Td's and 13 Int's. 1992 was his sixth season. In 1993, he was picked up by the Redskins. He had three td's and seven interceptions. He played in only seven games. This was his seventh season. His eighth season didn't come until 1995 because he was out of football in 1994. He had rotator cuff surgery in 1993, but no one was knocking down his door to get him under contract. In 1995, Gannon worked out for the Chiefs and signed with the team as the BACKUP to Bono. He was a team player. A guy that would be the backup and not complain. A hard worker. The kind of player that coaches like. He saw action in four games in 1996. He finally started to 'get it'. This was his 9th season. But, the Chiefs didn't have any faith in him and still went out and got Grbac. I believe Gannon signed a two year extension in 1996 because no one wanted him to be a starter. Over the course of 1997 and 1998, he started a total of 16 games and played in a total of 21. His passer rating was about 80 over those two years. He threw for 3349 yards in those two seasons combined. This was years 10 and 11. The Raiders rewarded Gannon's mediocre numbers over his 11 seasons in the league with an opportunity to win the starting job. We all know how it turned out. This is a folk hero around these parts.... and yet, through his first 10 seasons, he was not an extremely accurate passer. He didn't throw downfield very well. He struggled to read defenses. And he was athletic. Oh, AND he took a ton of sacks. He was sacked 302 times in 4206 pass attempts. Heck, he wasn't even drafted to be a QB. Through his first six seasons, Gannon had thrown 1003 passes. He had completed 561 passes. He completed 55.9% of his passes. He had 40 TD's and 36 Int's. He averaged 6.4 yards per attempt. He averaged 11.5 yards per completion. He had 81 sacks, or at about 8 percent of his pass attempts. Through Cassel's first six seasons, he has thrown 1154 passes. He has completed 678 of them. He is completing 58.7% of his passes. He has 43 TD's. He has 32 Int's. He has averaged 6.5 yards per attempt. He has averaged 11.09 yards per completion. He has 96 sacks, which is about 8% of his pass attempts. Will Cassel be Gannon? Probably not. But, Gannon wasn't Gannon until his 12th season in the league.... or twice as long as Cassel has been in the league...... That is when Gannon really got it and became a pro bowl QB.
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