The one guy that could turn this team around - Page 2

donkhater · 09-21-2004, 09:23 AM

....Richard Smith

It's not that I think this guy has super skills or that he has done anything up to this point to make me think he will be a stud.

BUT..

His emergance as a guy that could be a solid outside reciever would do wonders for this team.

1. Most obviously, it would provide KC with a young, fast wideout--something Boerigter was suppose to be this year (HUGE, HUGE loss IMHO) This offense for all its past success the last two years was missing this element and still succeedung.

2. It would move Dante into the third WR role. He could focus on returns and lineup more in the slot were he is most effective. Running him across the middle or on routes that require Trent to drop the ball over the CB is moronic. He is 5'7"!!! As special a player he is, those two duties of a starting WR he just cannot do well.

3. Force the other team's best CB (ala Champ) to respect him rather than Gonzalez.

4. Help the offense convert on third downs. For all its success last year, this offense seemed to either go down the field and score OR go 3 and out. Consistent movement of the football, changing field position, and keeping the defense off the field are equally important, which brings me to my last point..

5. The defense on Sunday was giving up less than 3 ypc halfway through the third quarter and Delhomme passed for a grand total of 180 yards on some pretty lucky throws IMHO. This defense is what it is--a poor tackling team. But a poor tackling team that is tired has no chance at stopping anyone. You can't scheme your way out of that. It ran out of gas and the offense didn't respond when it needed to.

Is it unfair to put so much blame on the offense? HELL NO!! That is the unit on which the majority of the money is being spent and they way this coaching staff has decided to win games.

I'm not saying that KC can't win games without a young guy stepping up (I sure hope that isn't the only way), but if he could, I really believe it would do wonders for the whole squad.

ChiefsFanatic · 09-21-2004, 10:37 AM

You have to line up in the right place, and run the right routes, before you can make an impact.

The better question might be, why do we have someone on our team that can't line up correctly and run the right routes, instead of a veteran who could.

**Rausch** · 09-21-2004, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KHinz57

Anyone would be better than Eric Hicks.

An emotional exaggeration, unless you've got some type of information that proves one of our back ups has had a more successful season...

Because looking at the roster I don't see anyone who's proven they can play his position any better...

**penguinz** · 09-21-2004, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by shakesthecat

Smith had a chance to step up Sunday, but decided he'd rather throw up all over himself.

Green said about Smith, "he has a ways to go", and even that was sugar coating it.

I doubt the guy even makes the team next year.

It was his first action in a real game. Give the guy a chance.

**Rausch** · 09-21-2004, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

It was his first action in a real game. Give the guy a chance.

Don't worry, he'll get another chance. We're out of options...

**Bowser** · 09-21-2004, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Don't worry, he'll get another chance. We're out of options...

The sad truth. It's borderline 2001esque with our WR's this year.

NewChief · 09-21-2004, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by shakesthecat

If a QB isn't confident a WR is where he's supposed to be, he won't throw him the ball.

Totally agree. I'm sure it's true with all QBs, but it's definitely true with Trent. We saw the same thing in his first year here. He would often ignore "open" receivers in favor of double-covered Gonzo, something we saw a lot of Sunday. I think Trent has a tendency to write off receivers if they run a few routes the wrong way and instead go to the person he can depend on.

svuba · 09-21-2004, 11:15 AM

1. Richard Smith did not see any balls thrown his way until it was fairly obvious were not running the ball so Carolina had something like 8 DB's on the field.

2. Of the two balls I saw thrown to Smith one would have been an very good catch considering that he got pummeled by the DB at almost exactly the same moment that the ball got to him, and the other would have been a circus catch. So I would not say he “Puked all over himself” by dropping those two.......I don't think there are many receivers in the NFL who would have caught those two passes.

3. Dante Hall should be on the field as much as possible. I do not agree with "saving" him for returns.

4. This Team cannot win by playing Martyball we just do not have the Horses on defense for that. 4th & short inside the 40 = go for it!

GoTrav · 09-21-2004, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by svuba

2. Of the two balls I saw thrown to Smith one would have been an very good catch considering that he got pummeled by the DB at almost exactly the same moment that the ball got to him, and the other would have been a circus catch. So I would not say he “Puked all over himself” by dropping those two.......I don't think there are many receivers in the NFL who would have caught those two passes.

and lived to tell about it.....

donkhater · 09-21-2004, 11:23 AM

I'm not saying Richard Smith IS that guy, but he COULD be the one guy if develops. I really wouldn't want to give up on him after his first NFL action.

I guess if he had made 1 spectacular catch in his first game (ala Snoop Minnis) we could proclaim him The Savior.

**KC Dan** · 09-21-2004, 11:24 AM

I don't think that Smith will be the answer. I met him on Saturday and though I am sure that he is fast, he is also very small. I would say 5'8-9" and 170-180lbs. He was smaller than me & I told FDE that I could level him. I just don't think he will get off the line much or be able to withstand an NFL pounding after catching the ball. I hope i'm wrong.

shakesthecat · 09-21-2004, 11:35 AM

I'll admit the second pass thrown to Smith was not very catchable.
He did appear to short arm it.

He shoulda had the first one.
You're gonna get hit anyway. Catch the damn ball.

But, there's more to playing WR for the Chiefs than catching the ball.
Blocking, running proper routes to clear areas. Little things he still needs to learn.

Smith has the opportunity of a lifetime right in front of him. I hope he runs with it.

He sure didn't show much last Sunday, though.

Gaz · 09-21-2004, 11:40 AM

It is a shocking commentary on the state of our Offense that Smith might truly be the only shot we have to improve.

It’s not like we have that many players we can throw into the fray. Blaylock and Johnson are the only ones I can think of. And it is unlikely that either of them would be an upgrade over Holmes.

xoxo~
Gaz
Getting bummed.

NewChief · 09-21-2004, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Dan

I don't think that Smith will be the answer. I met him on Saturday and though I am sure that he is fast, he is also very small. I would say 5'8-9" and 170-180lbs. He was smaller than me & I told FDE that I could level him. I just don't think he will get off the line much or be able to withstand an NFL pounding after catching the ball. I hope i'm wrong.

Was he really mellow? Everything I've heard about him has been that he's really, really mellow and laid-back. While it was said in a nice way, what seemed to be unsaid was that he might be lacking in intensity a bit.

**KC Dan** · 09-21-2004, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Was he really mellow? Everything I've heard about him has been that he's really, really mellow and laid-back. While it was said in a nice way, what seemed to be unsaid was that he might be lacking in intensity a bit.

Yup, very mellow. hope its not to a fault...

PastorMikH · 09-21-2004, 11:50 AM

Personally, I think we are being a bit unrealistic by hoping Smith will be the savior of our team this season - also how losing Wilson was a devestating blow to us. These guys are rookies - Smith is an undrafted rookie. I'll be happy if he is able to contribute from time to time. FWIW, Jr has shown me more so far than either of these two (nothing against them, but Jr has actually stepped out in PS and the first 2 weeks and made contributions) but I don't think even he can be considered the guy that can turn things around this year.

I'm not saying that any of these players won't be go to people in thr future, I just think that to place that much hope in them this year is a little much to expect.

There are several people here that are capable of standing up and making the difference needed. There's a half a dozen guys out there on D that are veterans and SHOULD be stepping up - Barber, Woods, Wesley, Browning, Hicks, Dalton, McCleon - and even Sims (who is still playing like 5th round draft pick at times). None of these guys has even began to step up and show some attitude or leadership.

Offensively, first and formost, Al Saunders needs to use the players he has and quit trying to call plays for the St Louis offense. If Priest has said he's not willing to take part in catching passes (I have not heard him say this, but I have heard a lot of speculation from others) then I have to question whether he is really thinking about the team's best interest or his name in the books. If the team needs him to catch balls to win, he needs to catch balls. Trent needs to check off the covered recievers and proceed through his progressions. If no one is open, throw it away. Both Tackles need to step up - jeesh Roaf your a career PBowler, show some pride out there and knock some defenders on their tails. Gonzo, call Carl Malone and ask him to teach you how to flop and get the call. Then when someone grabs a hold of you, you can do like Carl, flop, and draw the flag.

These veterans are the ones that need to step up, if they don't then we need to let them compete for their jobs - if the backups win, they get to start.

09-21-2004, 09:23 AM
donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	The one guy that could turn this team around ....Richard Smith It's not that I think this guy has super skills or that he has done anything up to this point to make me think he will be a stud. BUT.. His emergance as a guy that could be a solid outside reciever would do wonders for this team. 1. Most obviously, it would provide KC with a young, fast wideout--something Boerigter was suppose to be this year (HUGE, HUGE loss IMHO) This offense for all its past success the last two years was missing this element and still succeedung. 2. It would move Dante into the third WR role. He could focus on returns and lineup more in the slot were he is most effective. Running him across the middle or on routes that require Trent to drop the ball over the CB is moronic. He is 5'7"!!! As special a player he is, those two duties of a starting WR he just cannot do well. 3. Force the other team's best CB (ala Champ) to respect him rather than Gonzalez. 4. Help the offense convert on third downs. For all its success last year, this offense seemed to either go down the field and score OR go 3 and out. Consistent movement of the football, changing field position, and keeping the defense off the field are equally important, which brings me to my last point.. 5. The defense on Sunday was giving up less than 3 ypc halfway through the third quarter and Delhomme passed for a grand total of 180 yards on some pretty lucky throws IMHO. This defense is what it is--a poor tackling team. But a poor tackling team that is tired has no chance at stopping anyone. You can't scheme your way out of that. It ran out of gas and the offense didn't respond when it needed to. Is it unfair to put so much blame on the offense? HELL NO!! That is the unit on which the majority of the money is being spent and they way this coaching staff has decided to win games. I'm not saying that KC can't win games without a young guy stepping up (I sure hope that isn't the only way), but if he could, I really believe it would do wonders for the whole squad.
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09-21-2004, 10:37 AM	#16
ChiefsFanatic DeadPunisher Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Blue Springs, MO. 64014 Casino cash: $2739205	You have to line up in the right place, and run the right routes, before you can make an impact. The better question might be, why do we have someone on our team that can't line up correctly and run the right routes, instead of a veteran who could.
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09-21-2004, 11:15 AM	#22
svuba Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Concord, California, USA Casino cash: $10004900	1. Richard Smith did not see any balls thrown his way until it was fairly obvious were not running the ball so Carolina had something like 8 DB's on the field. 2. Of the two balls I saw thrown to Smith one would have been an very good catch considering that he got pummeled by the DB at almost exactly the same moment that the ball got to him, and the other would have been a circus catch. So I would not say he “Puked all over himself” by dropping those two.......I don't think there are many receivers in the NFL who would have caught those two passes. 3. Dante Hall should be on the field as much as possible. I do not agree with "saving" him for returns. 4. This Team cannot win by playing Martyball we just do not have the Horses on defense for that. 4th & short inside the 40 = go for it!
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09-21-2004, 11:23 AM	#24
donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	I'm not saying Richard Smith IS that guy, but he COULD be the one guy if develops. I really wouldn't want to give up on him after his first NFL action. I guess if he had made 1 spectacular catch in his first game (ala Snoop Minnis) we could proclaim him The Savior. __________________ The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants
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09-21-2004, 11:24 AM	#25
KC Dan Red, White & Blue for the U.S. Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Great Northwest now.. Casino cash: $1074235	I don't think that Smith will be the answer. I met him on Saturday and though I am sure that he is fast, he is also very small. I would say 5'8-9" and 170-180lbs. He was smaller than me & I told FDE that I could level him. I just don't think he will get off the line much or be able to withstand an NFL pounding after catching the ball. I hope i'm wrong. __________________ "And if you don't know where you're going Any road will take you there" - George Harrison
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09-21-2004, 11:35 AM	#26
shakesthecat Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IA Casino cash: $3903833	I'll admit the second pass thrown to Smith was not very catchable. He did appear to short arm it. He shoulda had the first one. You're gonna get hit anyway. Catch the damn ball. But, there's more to playing WR for the Chiefs than catching the ball. Blocking, running proper routes to clear areas. Little things he still needs to learn. Smith has the opportunity of a lifetime right in front of him. I hope he runs with it. He sure didn't show much last Sunday, though.
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09-21-2004, 11:40 AM	#27
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Sad, but possibly true... It is a shocking commentary on the state of our Offense that Smith might truly be the only shot we have to improve. It’s not like we have that many players we can throw into the fray. Blaylock and Johnson are the only ones I can think of. And it is unlikely that either of them would be an upgrade over Holmes. xoxo~ Gaz Getting bummed.
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09-21-2004, 11:50 AM	#30
PastorMikH Will KC ever be better? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Land of Red Dirt & Necks Casino cash: $9925087	Personally, I think we are being a bit unrealistic by hoping Smith will be the savior of our team this season - also how losing Wilson was a devestating blow to us. These guys are rookies - Smith is an undrafted rookie. I'll be happy if he is able to contribute from time to time. FWIW, Jr has shown me more so far than either of these two (nothing against them, but Jr has actually stepped out in PS and the first 2 weeks and made contributions) but I don't think even he can be considered the guy that can turn things around this year. I'm not saying that any of these players won't be go to people in thr future, I just think that to place that much hope in them this year is a little much to expect. There are several people here that are capable of standing up and making the difference needed. There's a half a dozen guys out there on D that are veterans and SHOULD be stepping up - Barber, Woods, Wesley, Browning, Hicks, Dalton, McCleon - and even Sims (who is still playing like 5th round draft pick at times). None of these guys has even began to step up and show some attitude or leadership. Offensively, first and formost, Al Saunders needs to use the players he has and quit trying to call plays for the St Louis offense. If Priest has said he's not willing to take part in catching passes (I have not heard him say this, but I have heard a lot of speculation from others) then I have to question whether he is really thinking about the team's best interest or his name in the books. If the team needs him to catch balls to win, he needs to catch balls. Trent needs to check off the covered recievers and proceed through his progressions. If no one is open, throw it away. Both Tackles need to step up - jeesh Roaf your a career PBowler, show some pride out there and knock some defenders on their tails. Gonzo, call Carl Malone and ask him to teach you how to flop and get the call. Then when someone grabs a hold of you, you can do like Carl, flop, and draw the flag. These veterans are the ones that need to step up, if they don't then we need to let them compete for their jobs - if the backups win, they get to start. __________________
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