IF we sign Hartwell, do we go 3-4 or 'Falcon'? - Page 2

**Mr. Kotter** · 03-08-2005, 11:46 PM

IF they are really still persuing Hartwell....I have a sneaking suspicion that Gun may put some combination of Bell/Hartwell/Mitchell/Beisel in the middle, with Fujita/Beisel/Bell/Fox as the OLBs or "Falcon"....

Personally, for me....a Fujita/Bell/Mitchell/Hartwell lineup would be intriguing.

Thoughts???

mcan · 03-09-2005, 12:00 AM

I'll tell you this RIGHT NOW...

If the Chiefs go to a 4-3, you will see some Major juggling...

LE: Hicks
T: Siavii
RE: Sims

LOLB: Fujita
LILB: Hartwell
RILB: Bell
ROLB: Allen

milkman · 03-09-2005, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Delano

That isn't going to happen. Carl already said the front office is moving on in his press conference regarding the Bell signing.

I don't believe a word that comes from Carl's mouth, ever.

Stinger · 03-09-2005, 12:02 AM

We don't have the size upfront to go 3-4 do we?

Chan93lx50 · 03-09-2005, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

I don't believe a word that comes from Carl's mouth, ever.

You have a very good point!

Logical · 03-09-2005, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

You really think so? I have a buddy who is a Steeler's die-hard....his take on Bell? That, when healthy....he is a stud. (Duh!)

What was interesting is, he said that actually he is pretty decent in coverage--pickin' up the flats, the "seam" routes, and helpin' on the TE. He actually showed me a couple of game films from 2002 where Bell did look good in that role.....

I'm really just thinkin' out loud, here.

Even if true that only gives us one good coverage linebacker, that was the problem with not getting Hartwell also (though I admit I can't see both of them under the cap and us still getting Surtain/Law)

mcan · 03-09-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan93lx50

You have a very good point!

Only if we move Allen to OLB and Sims to end... See below...

Hammock Parties · 03-09-2005, 12:04 AM

There's no way the Chiefs go to 3-4. Just forget it right now. Jared Allen doesn't have the size to play end in a 3-4, and Hicks would get killed.

Our D lines up perfectly in a 4-3 if we sign Hartwell.

OLB: Bell
MLB: Hartwell
OLB: Fujita
DE: Allen
DT: Dalton
DT: Siavii/Sims (rooting for Junior to take over)
DE: Hicks

We get a new corner and a new safety in here with that front seven and we're looking at a good defense.

keg in kc · 03-09-2005, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Even if true that only gives us one good coverage linebacker, that was the problem with not getting Hartwell also (though I admit I can't see both of them under the cap and us still getting Surtain/Law)

Hartwell's a run stuffer, not a coverage backer.

And if people keep predicting the 3-4 every offseason, eventually they'll guess right. Maybe. Or should I say maby.

**Mr. Kotter** · 03-09-2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

....(though I admit I can't see both of them under the cap and us still getting Surtain/Law)

THAT, bud, is PRECISELY scenario I'm envisioning: Hartwell being the other "big name" pickup. Then Law or Surtain becoming available because Law may be willing to come cheaper than expected or Miami will want SOMETHING for Surtain.

At that point, adding a safety in the second round would probably shore up that position---this year's group seems 'deep.'

Delano · 03-09-2005, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

I don't believe a word that comes from Carl's mouth, ever.

It wouldn't make sense to lie about moving on when Hartwell is on the verge of signing elsewhere.

I know Carl likes to negotiate, but he's not that stupid.

Archie Bunker · 03-09-2005, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

THAT, bud, is PRECISELY scenario I'm envisioning: Hartwell being the other "big name" pickup. Then Law or Surtain becoming available because Law may be willing to come cheaper than expected or Miami will want SOMETHING for Surtain.

At that point, adding a safety in the second round would probably shore up that position---this year's group seems 'deep.'

It could happen if Law gets desperate but with the Postons as his agent I dont think he will.

Surtain might be doable because he wants out and might backload it.

I have to think the Chiefs know they have to get one or the other.

**Mr. Kotter** · 03-09-2005, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

We don't have the size upfront to go 3-4 do we?

Actually, with a front of Browning/Saviai/Allen....and Bell as the "up"backer, I think we'd be okay. Allen does need to bulk up, but I read somewhere that he was already up to 280. I don't think it would be our "normal" defense...but I think it would be interesting.

Certainly, though...that is a very good point.

mcan · 03-09-2005, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

...I read somewhere that he was already up to 280.

are you serious? Jeez, I hope hes not getting slower... That like 20 lbs in just a few months.

**Mr. Kotter** · 03-09-2005, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mcan

are you serious? Jeez, I hope hes not getting slower... That like 20 lbs in just a few months.

Maybe it was his "goal;" but the piece I read said maintaining his speed was his major priority. Something about legs and gluts, which should NOT slow him down much.

**Mr. Kotter** · 03-09-2005, 10:24 PM

It's STILL a possibiltity.

Heh. Even Phobia agrees--gotta be somethin' to it.

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Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $5715285	IF we sign Hartwell, do we go 3-4 or 'Falcon'? IF they are *really* still persuing Hartwell....I have a sneaking suspicion that Gun may put some combination of Bell/Hartwell/Mitchell/Beisel in the middle, with Fujita/Beisel/Bell/Fox as the OLBs or "Falcon".... Personally, for me....a Fujita/Bell/Mitchell/Hartwell lineup would be intriguing. Thoughts???
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4450478	There's no way the Chiefs go to 3-4. Just forget it right now. Jared Allen doesn't have the size to play end in a 3-4, and Hicks would get killed. Our D lines up perfectly in a 4-3 if we sign Hartwell. OLB: Bell MLB: Hartwell OLB: Fujita DE: Allen DT: Dalton DT: Siavii/Sims (rooting for Junior to take over) DE: Hicks We get a new corner and a new safety in here with that front seven and we're looking at a good defense. __________________ Chiefs game films
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