Time For Pena to Go???

[petegz28]

Lack of fundamentals and terrible in-game managment of pitchers has cost us probably 50% if not more of our losses.

The latest....Pena pulls a hot Sisco after he gets thr first out to put in Burgos with empty bases during a 1-1 game in the 9th. We lost 2-1

[alanm]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Actually sweeney and the rest of the players didnt want showalter because he is a nazi of a manager... Showalter was who glass wanted, but sweeney and others said they would not play for him...

And Texas sucked as bad as we do now but their a much improved ball club with Showalter. A guy who knows how to manage and plug in the pieces and get rid of the dead baggage will do wonders for a team. fuck Sweeney and his overpriced singles hitting and booting balls at 1st.

[Valiant]

guess it makes you happy that he is being asked to be traded...

[Abba-Dabba]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

This may rile you, friend....but this is affirmative action in work: if he had been white, Pena woulda been gone LAST year. JMHO.

Oh yeah that's it. Those poor poor white guys. Always getting picked on and stuff.

Why don't you do us all a favor and pull out the race card while you are at it.

[htismaqe]

I'm a Cardinals fan, but I follow the Royals closely and consider myself an unbiased observer.

It's time for Pena to go.

1) The fanbase needs a shot in the arm to keep ticket sales up. It's obvious that it's not going to come in the form of a big player signing. The next best thing is a new manager.

2) The stated goal for this season was to develop young talent. It's not happening. They completely lack fundamentals and they're getting worse instead of better.

[keg in kc]

We don't have the players. Baseball Jesus couldn't manage the Royals to .500 at this point.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by beavis

Glass is cheap! He's ruining our team! Why doesn't he spend $200 million so we can win!

Whoa, channeled petegz28 there for a minute. Sorry about that.

I know you're being sarcastic, but there's got to be a middle ground. Glass is CHEAP. He's getting somewhere between $50M and $55M from the league for revenue sharing, etc. That's BEFORE any type of gate or stadium revenue.

In other words, he's pocketing some of the shared money, because the payroll is only $38M. The other owners are starting to get pissed. Don't be surprised if there's a salary minimum in the next CBA.

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

We don't have the players. Baseball Jesus couldn't manage the Royals to .500 at this point.

true they don't have the most talent. but the lack of fundamentals and mental errors and lack of accountability are what's most troubling.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

We don't have the players. Baseball Jesus couldn't manage the Royals to .500 at this point.

We all know that. But Baird and Pena said this year was a development year.

They're going to lose 100 games AND develop NOBODY.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I know you're being sarcastic, but there's got to be a middle ground. Glass is CHEAP. He's getting somewhere between $50M and $55M from the league for revenue sharing, etc. That's BEFORE any type of gate or stadium revenue.

In other words, he's pocketing some of the shared money, because the payroll is only $38M. The other owners are starting to get pissed. Don't be surprised if there's a salary minimum in the next CBA.

Yeah, but the players are not the only expenses that you have during a season. According to Forbes, which is what we all use to determine Lamar's profit since they seem to be on top of this stuff, the Royals made about $23 million in gate reciepts last year, and spent almost 60 million dollars toward player payroll when you include bonuses and dead money. According to Forbes, Glass made $3 million dollars in profit last year before taxes. Maybe I'm totally missing something somewhere. I still think that 55-60 million number is awful high. The Yankees only gave 35 million by themselves to revenue sharing and they're the big culprit, nobody else goes that far over the luxury tax... I know there's other TV deals and stuff but that is a lot of money, I wonder what these other small-market teams get. Nobody really knows how all the revenue sharing stuff works it seems like.

That said, and this is just my personal opinion, I hope Glass is saving some money, and when it comes time for some of these guys to get paid, we have a little money to spend. It really would be the smartest way to do things, as opposed to ride up against a zero profit/salary cap space threshold and pay the piper down the road like most fans want to do.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by ILChief

true they don't have the most talent. but the lack of fundamentals and mental errors and lack of accountability are what's most troubling.

I take that as a reflection of the problems we've had with the minor league system, which we've only been in the process of fixing the last couple of years. The youngsters just don't play like they're prepared for the majors. They're learning skills at the level where they're supposed to be polishing them. I don't think an extra year in AA would have been a bad thing for virtually anyone on the roster who's not in the starting rotation. That's one area where I do think the statement that we're fielding a "AAA team in Kansas City" is valid. There's an awful lot of guys on our roster who just don't seem ready for the bright lights.

And not to downplay the importance of fundamentals, another huge issue with this team is their inability to hit. You can't go through streaks of 3-5 hit games where you score 1-2 runs and expect to win very much.

Pena's going to be fired. I think anyone who expects anything to improve after that, just because we changed managers, is going to be sorely disappointed. And I hear a lot of talk about needing a disciplinarian. Well, the name "Tony Muser" comes to mind. We all remember how that went, I'm sure.

Players are the only thing that will win games.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

We all know that. But Baird and Pena said this year was a development year.

They're going to lose 100 games AND develop NOBODY.

I think that is a pretty brash conclusion to make already 20 games into a season. It took John Buck and David DeJesus somewhere in that neighborhood to not be abysmal at the plate last year, and they both tore it up in the 2nd half of the season.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by tk13

That said, and this is just my personal opinion, I hope Glass is saving some money, and when it comes time for some of these guys to get paid, we have a little money to spend. It really would be the smartest way to do things, as opposed to ride up against a zero profit/salary cap space threshold and pay the piper down the road like most fans want to do.

According to Glass himself, he's LOSING money, so your scenario is impossible unless he's lying.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I take that as a reflection of the problems we've had with the minor league system, which we've only been in the process of fixing the last couple of years. The youngsters just don't play like they're prepared for the majors. They're learning skills at the level where they're supposed to be polishing them. I don't think an extra year in AA would have been a bad thing for virtually anyone on the roster who's not in the starting rotation. That's one area where I do think the statement that we're fielding a "AAA team in Kansas City" is valid. There's an awful lot of guys on our roster who just don't seem ready for the bright lights.

And not to downplay the importance of fundamentals, another huge issue with this team is their inability to hit. You can't go through streaks of 3-5 hit games where you score 1-2 runs and expect to win very much.

Pena's going to be fired. I think anyone who expects anything to improve after that, just because we changed managers, is going to be sorely disappointed. And I hear a lot of talk about needing a disciplinarian. Well, the name "Tony Muser" comes to mind. We all remember how that went, I'm sure.

Players are the only thing that will win games.

Like I said before, it's not about wins. With these players, nobody is going win. But you have to make PROGRESS and they just aren't.

Part of the problem, like you said, is in the farm system. And alot of that stems from their TERRIBLE drafting over the last few years.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by tk13

I think that is a pretty brash conclusion to make already 20 games into a season. It took John Buck and David DeJesus somewhere in that neighborhood to not be abysmal at the plate last year, and they both tore it up in the 2nd half of the season.

Are John Buck and David DeJesus going to take this to the next level? Where the Johnny Damon on this team, or the Carlos Beltran?

This team has the potential to have some GREAT pitchers and he's ruining them. He leaves them in too long, he takes them out too soon, there's zero consistency.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

According to Glass himself, he's LOSING money, so your scenario is impossible unless he's lying.

Oh, I don't think he is saving money. I didn't say that's what he's doing, that's what I wish he was doing. He might actually make a little bit more money with a smaller payroll, but I just don't believe this is some cash cow he's making tons of money off of. We don't draw big crowds, the ticket prices are about the lowest in professional sports, there aren't a ton of luxury suites. I don't know why Forbes would lie about something like that. Maybe they're wrong.