Good enough to be 11-2? - Page 2

siberian khatru · 12-12-2005, 11:56 AM

If you're Carl Peterson, do you look at the season so far as three missed opportunities: Blowing a lead at home to Philly, and losing two winnable games on the road to Buffalo and Dallas? Do you think you really have an 11-2 team but for a couple of hiccups?

Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

Me, I think you are what you are. Especially since for 17 years now I've seen Chiefs teams suffering maddening inconsistency, plagued by bad losses and blown opportunities. I think we're an 8-5 team. I have no illusions about any kind of "hidden gem" we have -- that we're actually better than our record.

So rather than count on one hand the number of plays that could've made us 11-2, which will drive you nuts, I just see it as the same old, same old for this franchise (at least in the Carl Era).

What say you? Are we a sleeping giant or just a cut above mediocrity (or mediocrity itself)?

ROYC75 · 12-12-2005, 01:08 PM

We are what we are...... why complain ? The players and coach's have to step it up to another level of play. If they are not capable, find another guy who is.

Lbedrock1 · 12-12-2005, 01:22 PM

I guess I dont like the playoff format. With a weak division you can get a automatic bid to the playoffs. I think they should expand the wild card or go strictly by record for a playoff birth. You win your division and it should be just that division champ. Your record would still have to be good enough to make the playoffs. The Chiefs could go 11-5 and be sitting at home watching the patriots play.

joesomebody · 12-12-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lbedrock1

I guess I dont like the playoff format. With a weak division you can get a automatic bid to the playoffs. I think they should expand the wild card or go strictly by record for a playoff birth. You win your division and it should be just that division champ. Your record would still have to be good enough to make the playoffs. The Chiefs could go 11-5 and be sitting at home watching the patriots play.

I think its just sour grapes on our part. We would be happy to be sitting in the Pat's shoes.

If a division crown no longer matters, I think it would belittle division rivalries... these rivalries don't exist for bragging rights alone.

That said, in today's NFL there aren't supposed to be divisions that are easy to win... And the AFC West is consistantly one of the hardest in the league, so it makes it easy for us to want division record not to matter, however I think the NFL works the way it is, and there's always next year if we sit at home and that Pat's will win their division, so deserve the play offs.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-12-2005, 01:41 PM

11-2? Hell, I say 12-1. The San Diego game was very winnable...

DanT · 12-12-2005, 01:51 PM

We've had Warfield, Roaf and Stills yet for long stretches, played a bunch of solid ball clubs--including the Dolphins under bizarre circumstances--and are in the playoff hunt at 8-5. I would consider this another example of the kind of tearms fielded in the Carl Peterson era--an era way the hell better than the era in the wilderness that preceded the Carl Peterson era, in which the Chiefs played in a home stadium with empty seats numbering in the tens of thousands and whose fans were grateful to even be in the playoff hunt in December.

Chief Henry · 12-12-2005, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The Chiefs would have fielded a Super Bowl team at least twice in the 90's had it not been for poor coaching.

And this current Chiefs team might be good enough, if it weren't for coaching...

Dam fine discription.

DaWolf · 12-12-2005, 03:13 PM

We're also a team that could have easily been 0-2 against Chokeland. Take that for what it's worth.

DV said when he was hired his No 1 stat in terms of how good your team is was margin of victory. His '99 Rams team was superb in that department. The 2003 Chiefs did pretty well in that column. These Chiefs aren't even close. They're talented, but they're just too inconsistent to be considered anything more than a bit above average...

philfree · 12-12-2005, 03:23 PM

I don't look at that way. I think our O just played one hell of a football game. I think the Cowboys held like crazy on the last scoring Drive and the officials ignored it and then called DJ for holding. I think Tynes missed the biggest kick of his career and cost us a chance to win the game. I do think there is a lot of mediocrity to be found around Chiefs Plantet though.

PhilFree

12-12-2005, 11:56 AM
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2054950	Good enough to be 11-2? If you're Carl Peterson, do you look at the season so far as three missed opportunities: Blowing a lead at home to Philly, and losing two winnable games on the road to Buffalo and Dallas? Do you think you really have an 11-2 team but for a couple of hiccups? Woulda, shoulda, coulda. Me, I think you are what you are. Especially since for 17 years now I've seen Chiefs teams suffering maddening inconsistency, plagued by bad losses and blown opportunities. I think we're an 8-5 team. I have no illusions about any kind of "hidden gem" we have -- that we're actually better than our record. So rather than count on one hand the number of plays that could've made us 11-2, which will drive you nuts, I just see it as the same old, same old for this franchise (at least in the Carl Era). What say you? Are we a sleeping giant or just a cut above mediocrity (or mediocrity itself)?
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12-12-2005, 01:08 PM	#16
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Lbedrock1 Iron Giant Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Conyers, Ga Casino cash: $10005364	I guess I dont like the playoff format. With a weak division you can get a automatic bid to the playoffs. I think they should expand the wild card or go strictly by record for a playoff birth. You win your division and it should be just that division champ. Your record would still have to be good enough to make the playoffs. The Chiefs could go 11-5 and be sitting at home watching the patriots play. __________________
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12-12-2005, 01:41 PM	#19
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12-12-2005, 01:51 PM	#20
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $4091711	We've had Warfield, Roaf and Stills yet for long stretches, played a bunch of solid ball clubs--including the Dolphins under bizarre circumstances--and are in the playoff hunt at 8-5. I would consider this another example of the kind of tearms fielded in the Carl Peterson era--an era way the hell better than the era in the wilderness that preceded the Carl Peterson era, in which the Chiefs played in a home stadium with empty seats numbering in the tens of thousands and whose fans were grateful to even be in the playoff hunt in December.
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12-12-2005, 03:13 PM	#22
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	We're also a team that could have easily been 0-2 against Chokeland. Take that for what it's worth. DV said when he was hired his No 1 stat in terms of how good your team is was margin of victory. His '99 Rams team was superb in that department. The 2003 Chiefs did pretty well in that column. These Chiefs aren't even close. They're talented, but they're just too inconsistent to be considered anything more than a bit above average...
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12-12-2005, 03:23 PM	#23
philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $1156198	I don't look at that way. I think our O just played one hell of a football game. I think the Cowboys held like crazy on the last scoring Drive and the officials ignored it and then called DJ for holding. I think Tynes missed the biggest kick of his career and cost us a chance to win the game. I do think there is a lot of mediocrity to be found around Chiefs Plantet though. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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