Leadership.......Where is it? - Page 2

Mecca · 12-30-2006, 04:58 AM

Something I brought up in another thread and thought deserved to have a thread......

Where the hell is the leadership on the Chiefs? Where are our players that are the team leaders? We don't have any...we don't have Ray Lewis or Tom Brady....it's a major problem.

Kawika Mitchell may think he's a leader but he's not. You have to do your job and be a good player and have the respect of everyone to be a leader and hold people account for their mistakes. Perfect example when he got in the arguement on the sideline with the DB's and they straight up looked at him like "**** you get out of here". They don't respect him....no Ravens player would ever do that to Ray Lewis we all know that.

Someone will probably throw out Larry Johnson but he's not a team leader either....he may run his mouth after games or about things he doesn't like but he's not a team leader in the sense that we need a player to be....of course he doesn't care enough to be a complete player either.

We have nice guys like Trent Green and Tony Gonzalez.....Where they play and don't say much..if you **** up in NE, Tom Bradys gonna be on your ass. We don't have that......

Until the Chiefs find some real leadership in the locker room they are going to continue to be a team that just plays, doesn't feel accountable to the rest of the team and folds when things get tough......like Cleveland. There's a reason things like that happen every single year.

Wile_E_Coyote · 12-30-2006, 10:26 AM

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**penguinz** · 12-30-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

of course he doesn't care enough to be a complete player either.

What a stupid ass comment. Answer this mecca... Why the fugg do you think you know so much about NFL Football? If you knew a 10th as much as you ramble about here you would have won multiple SuperBowls by now.

Mecca · 12-30-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

What a stupid ass comment. Answer this mecca... Why the fugg do you think you know so much about NFL Football? If you knew a 10th as much as you ramble about here you would have won multiple SuperBowls by now.

When he feels the urge to pick up some blocks or become a competent reciever you let me know....

Trent may be the "leader" but he isn't the type of leader we need, he's a quiet leader. I want a guy who will turn around and rip LJ a new asshole for not picking up a block.

WilliamTheIrish · 12-30-2006, 11:59 AM

It's a good question. One I've asked myself over and over for several seasons.

Using ray Lewis as an example, could you imagine him leading a defense that let a back up QB, getting his first significant playing time, bring his squad back from 14 down with under 8 minutes?

The simple answer is: We don't have one. On either side of the ball. And we haven't for years.

**Skip Towne** · 12-30-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

What a stupid ass comment. Answer this mecca... Why the fugg do you think you know so much about NFL Football? If you knew a 10th as much as you ramble about here you would have won multiple SuperBowls by now.

Rep!

Reerun_KC · 12-30-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

It's a good question. One I've asked myself over and over for several seasons.

Using ray Lewis as an example, could you imagine him leading a defense that let a back up QB, getting his first significant playing time, bring his squad back from 14 down with under 8 minutes?

The simple answer is: We don't have one. On either side of the ball. And we haven't for years.

I thought leadership started with the HC first?

Mecca · 12-30-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I thought leadership started with the HC first?

Well I agree with this but we also need some on the field........

I also enjoy how Penz got so mad at me you'd think I insulted his boyfriend.

milkman · 12-30-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I thought leadership started with the HC first?

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well I agree

We're ****ed.

WilliamTheIrish · 12-30-2006, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I thought leadership started with the HC first?

Okay, that's fine. What kind of a leader is Herm Edwards? What does Herm bring to the organization that makes you feel he's a leader?

Feel free to shed some light on the subject.

Mecca · 12-30-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Okay, that's fine. What kind of a leader is Herm Edwards? What does Herm bring to the organization that makes you feel he's a leader?

Feel free to shed some light on the subject.

He brings um......funny sayings to press conferences.....that's about it.

Calcountry · 12-30-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

This comes right back to the organization. The whole reason Lewis and Brady have that kind of clout is that everyone on those teams knows if you f**k with them you'll be looking for a new team and it might not wait for the end of the season. Chiefs players all know full well that sucking is acceptable.

So they suck, and they suck, AND they SUCK.

Calcountry · 12-30-2006, 12:40 PM

Whether you all like the results or not, the D is basically "rebuilt" per Carl Standards, and now the rebuilding of the O will begin in earnest this offseason.

Next Year, this team is Herms. We took a step back this year, not forward. The D is improved ONLY because the Offense gameplanned time of possession to the extreme to keep their sorry assses off the field. So much so, the offense died a miseralble withering death that only vaguely resembles the O that could overcome much of our D's woes.

**the Talking Can** · 12-30-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

This comes right back to the organization. The whole reason Lewis and Brady have that kind of clout is that everyone on those teams knows if you f**k with them you'll be looking for a new team and it might not wait for the end of the season. Chiefs players all know full well that sucking is acceptable.

yeah, I think it is more about accountability....too many players have been allowed to suck for far too long as Chiefs...

You can be a leader, but you can't make CP not resign Hicks, Bartee, etc....

milkman · 12-30-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

The D is improved ONLY because the Offense gameplanned time of possession to the extreme to keep their sorry assses off the field. So much so, the offense died a miseralble withering death that only vaguely resembles the O that could overcome much of our D's woes.

That was the plan, but I'd bet that if you were to look up the numbers, not only did the rest of the offensive numbers dive, but you'd find that the '05 Chiefs averaged about 2 mins TOP more than the '06 Chiefs.

The defense improved, some, but the offense had no part in that.

**alanm** · 12-30-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Okay, that's fine. What kind of a leader is Herm Edwards? What does Herm bring to the organization that makes you feel he's a leader?

Feel free to shed some light on the subject.

Uh... He's won a playoff game in the last 10 yrs.

12-30-2006, 04:58 AM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2077050	Leadership.......Where is it? Something I brought up in another thread and thought deserved to have a thread...... Where the hell is the leadership on the Chiefs? Where are our players that are the team leaders? We don't have any...we don't have Ray Lewis or Tom Brady....it's a major problem. Kawika Mitchell may think he's a leader but he's not. You have to do your job and be a good player and have the respect of everyone to be a leader and hold people account for their mistakes. Perfect example when he got in the arguement on the sideline with the DB's and they straight up looked at him like "** you get out of here". They don't respect him....no Ravens player would ever do that to Ray Lewis we all know that. Someone will probably throw out Larry Johnson but he's not a team leader either....he may run his mouth after games or about things he doesn't like but he's not a team leader in the sense that we need a player to be....of course he doesn't care enough to be a complete player either. We have nice guys like Trent Green and Tony Gonzalez.....Where they play and don't say much..if you ** up in NE, Tom Bradys gonna be on your ass. We don't have that...... Until the Chiefs find some real leadership in the locker room they are going to continue to be a team that just plays, doesn't feel accountable to the rest of the team and folds when things get tough......like Cleveland. There's a reason things like that happen every single year.
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WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $5530607	It's a good question. One I've asked myself over and over for several seasons. Using ray Lewis as an example, could you imagine him leading a defense that let a back up QB, getting his first significant playing time, bring his squad back from 14 down with under 8 minutes? The simple answer is: We don't have one. On either side of the ball. And we haven't for years.
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Calcountry Shoot the tube Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $8721645	Whether you all like the results or not, the D is basically "rebuilt" per Carl Standards, and now the rebuilding of the O will begin in earnest this offseason. Next Year, this team is Herms. We took a step back this year, not forward. The D is improved ONLY because the Offense gameplanned time of possession to the extreme to keep their sorry assses off the field. So much so, the offense died a miseralble withering death that only vaguely resembles the O that could overcome much of our D's woes. __________________
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