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Old 02-15-2007, 10:50 AM  
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What is the Trade value of Larry Johnson?
IF larry johnson was to be traded ... what's his approx. value?


not asking if the Chiefs should trade him ... just what his value would be IF they did.
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Old 02-15-2007, 11:28 AM   #16
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This is exactly why we should be shopping him IMO. Someone could very well decide it's worth the gamble to see if LJ will be the second to improve. I think there are several on the NFC side that need to improve their running game and hold top ten picks. CP should be calling to see if they are interested. If he works on the business side of football anyway.
I absolutely agree that we should be shopping him.

I also don't think anyone should be surprised and/or insulted when we can't get anything worthwhile out of him.
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Old 02-15-2007, 11:29 AM   #17
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Old 02-15-2007, 11:29 AM   #18
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don't try it ......

htismaqe will never say that a Chiefs player has good market value. Because then he would have to deal with the fact that Carl peterson is a sad sack of crap who couldn't get the trade done.

better to just say "he's worth more to us than the market" so he doesn't have to deal with the emotional stress.
If LJ actually DID have market value, you'd have to finally admit that Carl Peterson ISN'T the sad sack of crap you've made him out to be. How do you sleep at night?
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Old 02-15-2007, 11:31 AM   #19
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I'm not sure Tom Coughlin and LJ could coexist.
It would be fun watching them try. Especially since I am not a Giants fan.
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Old 02-15-2007, 11:36 AM   #20
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Old 02-15-2007, 11:39 AM   #21
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If LJ actually DID have market value, you'd have to finally admit that Carl Peterson ISN'T the sad sack of crap you've made him out to be. How do you sleep at night?
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It's not just one year of wear-and-tear. He set the NFL record for carries in a season. Only one RB in the history of the game has IMPROVED after carrying the ball that many times.
That's just part of it. Then add the fact that LJ is a malcontent and is due for a huge contract. We could get something for LJ, but I can't imagine it'd be more than a low first-rounder at best.
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That's just part of it. Then add the fact that LJ is a malcontent and is due for a huge contract. We could get something for LJ, but I can't imagine it'd be more than a low first-rounder at best.
I'd take it, only with the understanding that we would use both first round picks. Knowing Carl, he'd keep one and trade the other, or package both and trade down.
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Old 02-15-2007, 11:46 AM   #24
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I'd take it, only with the understanding that we would use both first round picks. Knowing Carl, he'd keep one and trade the other, or package both and trade down.
You'd honestly take one, low 1st-rounder for a guy that holds just about every franchise rushing record there is?
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It's not just one year of wear-and-tear. He set the NFL record for carries in a season. Only one RB in the history of the game has IMPROVED after carrying the ball that many times.
I assume you are referring to Whitlock's quote of:

"nine running backs have accumulated 390-plus carries in a season. Only one, Eric Dickerson, continued to ascend after toting the rock that many times. Everyone else faded quickly."

I'm curious who were some of the others and how many career carries did they have prior to the workhorse season and did they have a history of injuries prior to that season?
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I'd take it, only with the understanding that we would use both first round picks. Knowing Carl, he'd keep one and trade the other, or package both and trade down.
I'd take it, too. If LJ was just a malcontent off the field, and a small locker-room problem, I'd say pay him the money....but when I saw New Orleans play and watched much smaller Reggie Bush, another prima donna, pass-block with more effort and with better results in his first freakin year than LJ does now, I say dump LJ. He is a monster running the ball, but is one-dimensional. We already have enough pass protection problems without having to worry about LJ taking passing plays off.
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I could be wrong, but with the frequency that teams are finding good RBs in the draft and FA... I don't see a R1 pick in return.

I would say something similar to the Portis for Bailey and a R4 pick scenario. Go for a stud player, like a WR... OL ... something and a R3-4 pick.

Hell - make a trade like that and sign a guy like Dom Rhodes for a fraction of the $ that LJ will want and you'll likely come out better in the end.
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I assume you are referring to Whitlock's quote of:

"nine running backs have accumulated 390-plus carries in a season. Only one, Eric Dickerson, continued to ascend after toting the rock that many times. Everyone else faded quickly."

I'm curious who were some of the others and how many career carries did they have prior to the workhorse season and did they have a history of injuries prior to that season?

See that’s my first thought, how many of’em had that many carries in their first full season?
It seems like Jamal “Dirty Bird” Anderson was one, but it wasn’t his first full season and his career ended with a knee injury, IIRC.
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I assume you are referring to Whitlock's quote of:

"nine running backs have accumulated 390-plus carries in a season. Only one, Eric Dickerson, continued to ascend after toting the rock that many times. Everyone else faded quickly."

I'm curious who were some of the others and how many career carries did they have prior to the workhorse season and did they have a history of injuries prior to that season?
I assume you're attempting to extrapolate the likelihood of him "fading quickly" or not.

For my purposes, it's largely irrelevant whether or not he WILL fade. Just the fact that the possibility EXISTS and there's ample evidence of it happening decreases his trade value, IMO. It doesn't diminish his value to us nearly as much because we already account for his salary.
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You can also add TD to that list of RBs in the 390+ carry group that didn't repeat thanks to an injury. Davis had 392 carries, broke 2,000 yds rushing and was hurt the next season.
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