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Old 07-04-2007, 11:47 PM  
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A morality question?
If you were ordered to unleash a Nuclear Bomb on an enemy could you do it?

Could you as an individual take on the responsibility of killing potentially millions? When I was younger I felt the answer was an easy yes. As I grow in wisdom my moral compass says it might not be easy to do. In fact I doubt I could do it. Could you?


Additional info at the request of posters. You don't know who is targeted. Your area has not been hit by a Nuke but it was hit by a large bombing incident where 100s died. You will not be directly protecting your family.
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:56 AM   #16
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i could say that i was only following orders.
It didn't work for the nazi's


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Old 07-05-2007, 06:24 AM   #17
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:27 AM   #18
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It would depend on how many beers I had before I was asked to push the button.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:40 AM   #19
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:43 AM   #20
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And just what would be the consequences if one were not to follow the order given by the President of the United States?
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:00 AM   #21
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During time of war you can be shot for failure to follow a legal order. Doesn't happen but it could. As for pushing the button, I could do that. Not every nuke is going to destroy the world and vanquish mankind. We have conventional bombs that are more powerful than some of the battlefield nukes now. They are just another tool in Uncle Sam's toy box for protecting us and our interest in keeping our way of life intact.
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:08 AM   #22
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If you are the type of person who can not push the button then you have no business being in that position in the first place. National security is no place for the timid and weak.
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:13 AM   #23
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If you are the type of person who can not push the button then you have no business being in that position in the first place. National security is no place for the timid and weak.
ummm...that's true, but just because I person can't push a button that will kill others doesn't mean they are timid and weak.
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:21 AM   #24
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:34 AM   #25
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In the end I'll go with the..if killing "The Millions" save MANY MIllions lives...then of course its worth it its only"logical"

I like the point of Being the "one" who actually pushes The button might be the hardest part.
I'll remind you that many countries in the past have used trickery during executions so that not just One person is left with the thought He executed the accused.
Firing squad with only 4 real bullets 10 guns..5 gaurds hitting the electric chair trigger & only one really works.
It was just enough so that no gaurd in his mind new for "Sure" he was the one..supposedly it helped but in a way I doubt it.It only made more feel guilty inside I would think.
If you had say 10 people who were in the ranks that Had the official right to hit the button I'd simply ask for a volunteer is all if none then the Fake trigger & order all 10 to hit it.


I know this is sort of apples to oranges but hey what the hell...just for fun..

Star Trek fans remember the line.

Spock is explaining his actions to James Kirk. The Vulcan entered a radiation-filled section of the U.S.S. Enterprise, even though to do so meant certain death. It was the only way to bring the main engines back online in time to save the lives of his shipmates.

Fighting the effects of the deadly radiation Spock rasps, "It is logical. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

Kirk finishes the statement for his friend, "Or the one."

But that was fiction. In real life selfless acts are diminishing and will soon be gone forever from our society. Selfishness rules. Me first rules. So that no single individual will be offended, we will offend the entire strata of society.


Logical I often ponder over your serious black & white posts..however I rarely reply even though I love a serious chat with friends over the stuff you put on here.
However a message board is a very hard place to make back & forth points & to nail it down to a "logical solution"
Again However though half the fun of the planets message board is talking out stuff like this & other misc crap like Poop & what not!

It makes the Planet what it is good fun & some serious chat as well..Oh yeah & our beloved Chiefs too!

Here at home I'd be hashing out your question over some party material getting buzzed with friends and getting deeply into the topic.


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Old 07-05-2007, 08:08 AM   #26
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Old 07-05-2007, 08:12 AM   #27
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I think if it were them or me, I could. But I really haven't ever been in a situation close to that, so I can't say for sure.
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Old 07-05-2007, 02:45 PM   #28
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In the end I'll go with the..if killing "The Millions" save MANY MIllions lives...then of course its worth it its only"logical"

I like the point of Being the "one" who actually pushes The button might be the hardest part.
I'll remind you that many countries in the past have used trickery during executions so that not just One person is left with the thought He executed the accused.
Firing squad with only 4 real bullets 10 guns..5 gaurds hitting the electric chair trigger & only one really works.
It was just enough so that no gaurd in his mind new for "Sure" he was the one..supposedly it helped but in a way I doubt it.It only made more feel guilty inside I would think.
If you had say 10 people who were in the ranks that Had the official right to hit the button I'd simply ask for a volunteer is all if none then the Fake trigger & order all 10 to hit it.


I know this is sort of apples to oranges but hey what the hell...just for fun..

Star Trek fans remember the line.

Spock is explaining his actions to James Kirk. The Vulcan entered a radiation-filled section of the U.S.S. Enterprise, even though to do so meant certain death. It was the only way to bring the main engines back online in time to save the lives of his shipmates.

Fighting the effects of the deadly radiation Spock rasps, "It is logical. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

Kirk finishes the statement for his friend, "Or the one."

But that was fiction. In real life selfless acts are diminishing and will soon be gone forever from our society. Selfishness rules. Me first rules. So that no single individual will be offended, we will offend the entire strata of society.


Logical I often ponder over your serious black & white posts..however I rarely reply even though I love a serious chat with friends over the stuff you put on here.
However a message board is a very hard place to make back & forth points & to nail it down to a "logical solution"
Again However though half the fun of the planets message board is talking out stuff like this & other misc crap like Poop & what not!

It makes the Planet what it is good fun & some serious chat as well..Oh yeah & our beloved Chiefs too!

Here at home I'd be hashing out your question over some party material getting buzzed with friends and getting deeply into the topic.


Ehh...my post runs long I'm out of here!
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Old 07-05-2007, 02:50 PM   #29
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Old 07-05-2007, 02:52 PM   #30
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