For all you football experts that wanted Croyle...it's all about the Oline - Page 2

chris · 10-07-2007, 01:32 PM

With this line, Farve, Brady, whomever, would look bad.

Forget about Croyle.

Shift your boring whining to the awful Oline.

Psyko Tek · 10-07-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NUMBER7

Favre actually has RBs who block...what a novel approach for football...of gee that is a basic tenet of a good effective offense.

that's that arena league stuff right

we ain't havin' none of that chit 'round here

**Bob Dole** · 10-07-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chris

With this line, Farve, Brady, whomever, would look bad.

Forget about Croyle.

Shift your boring whining to the awful Oline.

Actually, the O-line isn't giving up a lot of sacks. The O-line is killing the running game, but the O-line is not to blame for Huard staring down his primary receiver or panicking into throwing the checkdown.

Croyle's release is about 140% faster than Huard's, so any O-line weakness in the passing game would be even smaller with Croyle under center.

**luv** · 10-07-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Actually, the O-line isn't giving up a lot of sacks. The O-line is killing the running game, but the O-line is not to blame for Huard staring down his primary receiver or panicking into throwing the checkdown.

Croyle's release is about 140% faster than Huard's, so any O-line weakness in the passing game would be even smaller with Croyle under center.

Croyle looked like he was playing hot potato compared to Huard.

**Bob Dole** · 10-07-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

Croyle looked like he was playing hot potato compared to Huard.

It's called "quick release".

Watch old film of Marino.

(Bob Dole is not comparing Croyle to MArino beyond the speed of his release.)

keg in kc · 10-07-2007, 03:03 PM

This would be a valid point if Croyle hadn't come in twice this season and moved the offense virtually at will.

It's like a different team.

blueballs · 10-07-2007, 03:06 PM

Hell even fumbling Printers moved the offense

chris · 10-07-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

This would be a valid point if Croyle hadn't come in twice this season and moved the offense virtually at will.

It's like a different team.

Aah, today was because of prevent defense.

Hammock Parties · 10-07-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

This would be a valid point if Croyle hadn't come in twice this season and moved the offense virtually at will.

It's like a different team.

You can't be serious.

Croyle's two drives have consisted of 90 percent checkdowns. He threw two deep passes down the sideline that were basically both a wing and a prayer.

PastorMikH · 10-07-2007, 03:08 PM

It coult be said say that the O-Line would look better if the QB made better decisions and the RB did a better job of running just as easily as they can be blamed.

The Jags D was pushing for a shutout, they wanted a shutout. Croyle denied them. Huard would have went 3 and out - how do I know, he did it numerous times already today.

I'm not really sure that our O-Line is as terrible as it's getting credit for being. Nobody respects Huard's ability to go downfield so they stack the box. Add in that LJ is tired of getting hammered and is playing two hand touch out there, there's no way our running game is going to get going. How are 5-6 guys supposed to block 8-9 defenders who know the run is coming?

Now, do we have a great OL? No, long ways from it. But smart coaches play to stregnths and away from weaknesses. Our coaching staffs for the last 8 years have tried to do just the opposite.

keg in kc · 10-07-2007, 03:10 PM

The reality is, Croyle took the team downfield on a defense hungry to shut us out. Does anybody honestly believe Huard could've done the same?

It comes down to this: you guys can continue to make excuses for Huard, I'd prefer to look at results, and try to find some shimmer of hope for the future.

**the Talking Can** · 10-07-2007, 03:12 PM

does the "it's not me its the OL" excuse apply retroactively to preseason?

PastorMikH · 10-07-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

You can't be serious.

Croyle's two drives have consisted of 90 percent checkdowns. He threw two deep passes down the sideline that were basically both a wing and a prayer.

And Huard doesn't pass to his checkdown recievers because he has his mind made up before the snap who he's going to.

This O philosophy is supposed to be set up with 3-5 checkdown options. The QB is supposed to go through progressions and throw to whichever option the D doesn't cover. IE, it's philosophy is you take what the D gives you - you find what they are giving by going through the progressions.

The fact that Croyle is, as you say, hitting 90% of his passes to the checkdowns tells me that he already has a better understanding of this O than Huard does.

JuicesFlowing · 10-07-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

You can still have good QB play with a bad line.

Exactly. It's the run blocking that's garbage ... the pass blocking was okay.

Hammock Parties · 10-07-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

The fact that Croyle is, as you say, hitting 90% of his passes to the checkdowns tells me that he already has a better understanding of this O than Huard does.

That's some amazing spin right there. People were bashing Huard to no end for throwing to his checkdowns in the first two games.

L.A. Chieffan · 10-07-2007, 03:15 PM

ITS GONZOS FAULT THAT HE WASNT OPEN ENOUGH IN THAT FIRST DRIVE FOR THE TD! **** YOU TG!!!

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PastorMikH Will KC ever be better? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Land of Red Dirt & Necks Casino cash: $9925087	It coult be said say that the O-Line would look better if the QB made better decisions and the RB did a better job of running just as easily as they can be blamed. The Jags D was pushing for a shutout, they wanted a shutout. Croyle denied them. Huard would have went 3 and out - how do I know, he did it numerous times already today. I'm not really sure that our O-Line is as terrible as it's getting credit for being. Nobody respects Huard's ability to go downfield so they stack the box. Add in that LJ is tired of getting hammered and is playing two hand touch out there, there's no way our running game is going to get going. How are 5-6 guys supposed to block 8-9 defenders who know the run is coming? Now, do we have a great OL? No, long ways from it. But smart coaches play to stregnths and away from weaknesses. Our coaching staffs for the last 8 years have tried to do just the opposite. __________________
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	The reality is, Croyle took the team downfield on a defense hungry to shut us out. Does anybody honestly believe Huard could've done the same? It comes down to this: you guys can continue to make excuses for Huard, I'd prefer to look at results, and try to find some shimmer of hope for the future.
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