Thanks to Bill Clinton :) - Page 2

bkkcoh · 06-14-2001, 07:39 AM

Thank you for introducing us to Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski and about two dozen other names that we might not have met and known otherwise.

Thank you for allowing a war hero and the author of one of the most successful military campaigns in military history to leave the presidency because, no matter how successful he was, we, in all our moral outrage, just wouldn't tolerate someone who would lie to the American people by promising "no new taxes" and then going back on his word. We certainly can't have a liar in the White House, now can we?

Thank you for showing all the men and women in America that sexual harassment in the work place, and on the job, is okay as long as it involves powerful middle-age executives and the young women half their age under their power. It is, after all, a "private matter."

Thank you for revealing that the agenda of the National Organization for Women only includes some women. Women like Anita Hill, and not women like Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski, et. al.

Thank you for allowing us to come to the realization that "sexual relations" is not clearly defined after all. And all these years, I thought that "oral sex" really had something to do with sex! (Imagine!) (Or is it Oral Sex when you talk about it . . .?)

Thank you for giving us a president who discusses his choice of underwear with teenagers. We always wondered if presidents wore boxers or briefs.

Thank you for installing a man who reminds us of those good old days of pot smoking (without inhaling, of course) and war protesting.

Thank you for showing us that the ridiculous plot of the movie, "Wag the Dog," could really be plausible after all.

Thank you for reintroducing the concept of "impeachment" to a new generation that missed the discussion surrounding it the last time it was brought up.

Thank you for curing me of my addiction to the evening news.

Thank you for reminding us that the government that gave us the Internal Revenue Service and welfare, also lusts for control of the greatest health care system in the world.

Thank you for reminding us that the FBI, who has a file on millions of Americans, including myself, can give those files to people powerful enough to demand them.

Thank you for reminding us that, when all is said and done, character really, really does matter.

And, in comparison: Thank you for making Dan Quayle look like the smartest man in America. Thank you for making Jimmy Carter look competent. Thank you for making Gerald Ford look graceful. Thank you for making Richard Nixon look honest. Thank you for making Lyndon Johnson look truthful. Thank you for making John Kennedy look moral. Thank you for making Al Gore look positively presidential.

Thank you for reminding us of the importance of term limits.

And really, Thank you not once, but twice! Why, if it was not for you, instead of the current, interesting discussion all over the television networks and newspapers, we would be focused on a whole slew of trivial matters such as giving secrets to China in exchange for campaign contributions, global defense, the economy, nukes in North Korea, genocide in Africa & Kosovo, the containment of terrorism, and all those other boring topics.

So, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! Since Bill Clinton took office, here are some of the good things that have happened: 1) 72 House and Senate witnesses have pled the Fifth Amendment. 2) 17 witnesses have fled the country to avoid testifying. 3) 19 foreign witnesses have refused to be interviewed by US investigative bodies. 4) 19 charges from Whitewater investigations, 4 convictions from Whitewater investigations, 8 imprisonment's from Whitewater investigations….. 55 total charges in all Clinton scandals, 32 total convictions (so far) in all Clinton scandals, 14 total imprisonment's (sofar) in all Clinton scandals. 5) 938 overnight stays at the White House for Clinton supporters. 6) $48 million - cost of Starr's 5-Year investigation. 7) $49 million - cost of Clinton's 10 day trip to China.

Yes, it's been an interesting 8 years for "the most ethical administration in the history of the Republic." Thanks....

BIG_DADDY · 06-14-2001, 10:52 AM

I feel exactly the opposite of Mark here. BIG DADDY will NEVER forget and appreciates it when others remind us of our past so maybe we can alleviate this in the future. We are still living with many of the losses to our freedoms that clown implimented and I am hoping BUSH will not sell us down the same road as well. The lates issue being medical records privacy. Clinton sold us down the river on this and I don't think Bush is going to stop it.

BIG DADDY

That would piss me off. :mad:

Mark M · 06-14-2001, 10:54 AM

ck--
I agree that Regan has been given the shaft. He did put us in a debt that has taken 12 years to get rid of, but the guy put the Russians out of business and guided American through one of the most prosperous eras in history.

And Clinton is a complete media whore ... but if the public wouldn't keep going after the guy (admittedly for the right reasons), maybe there wouldn't be so much focus on him. The best thing we can do as a country is ignore the crooked a$$hole. But, alas, that probably won't happen any time soon. :(

MM
~~Wishes Clinton wouldn't go away mad, but just go away.

Mark M · 06-14-2001, 10:59 AM

Big-Daddy--
I'm not saying we should just forget what he did ... just stop whining about it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ...

We all know he was a crook and that we should never allow a person like that be elected again (although it probably will happen again ... :( ). But c'mon ... b!tching about it like little children won't change anything. Learn the lesson, store it in memory and move on.

MM
~~Likes to get on with the future, rather than dwelling on the past.

Clint in Wichita · 06-14-2001, 11:00 AM

Thank you, Bill Clinton, for giving every right-winger in the country something to whine about, even after you've been out of office for 6 months.

Jesus H. Christ, get over it already!

Try thanking Bush Jr. for all he's done.

bkkcoh · 06-14-2001, 11:02 AM

Clint,

What about all of the lib's whining about what Reagan did how long ago.??;)

ck_IN · 06-14-2001, 11:03 AM

Mark, don't be offended, but you are sorely confused. A clear victim of revisionist history. Reagan <b>did not</b> put us in debt. He agreed to a budget deal with the Demo controlled Congress that if taxes were cut, spending would be cut proportionatly. Taxes were cut, revenues did rise, but the Demos broke their promise (surprised?) and raised spending faster than the rising revenues.

Revenues increased for 6 of Reagan's 8 years. (The first two years with a GOP led Congress, we were overcoming the mess left by Carter.) For all 6 of those years the Demo controlled congress trash canned Reagan's budget, and wrote their own. They then delivered it at the 11th hour and told Reagan to sign it or Govt would shut down. My only sadness is that Reagan didn't call their bluff and shut things down. If the spend-thrift Demos of the 80's had been exposed for what they were, the deficits wouldn't have happened.

Clint in Wichita · 06-14-2001, 11:05 AM

I hardly ever hear or read anything negative about Reagan until conservatives start crying about Clinton.

Why are we discussing past Presidents, anyway? There's PLENTY to talk about involving our new President.

Cannibal · 06-14-2001, 11:08 AM

Reagan raised spending.

Remember the Cold War?

Reagan even said he would spend as much of our money as needed to break the Soviet's collective backs and win the Cold War.

It was a contest and we "won", but Reagan spent more money in his eight years that all other administrations combined.

ck_IN · 06-14-2001, 11:12 AM

Then you weren't paying attention Clint. The revisionists didn't let the Oval Office chair cool before they started trashing Reagan.

As for Bush I'm not thrilled with him, but he seems to be bringing a level headed, thought out, non focus grouped approach to his job. So far, so good and a wonderful change.

Mark, I'm not putting the Clinton tenure on a par with the Holocaust for obvious reasons, but the surviors have a saying; 'Never forget'. It applies to Clinton. We mustn't allow some to tell us what we know happened didn't happen, or happened some other way.

Honestly recounting Clinton's sleaze and corruption isn't whining. It's keeping history honest. And honesty is a rare commodity when dealing with that particular individual.

ck_IN · 06-14-2001, 11:16 AM

Reagan's millitary spending ended the greatest threat the free world has ever known, including Hitler. It was money well spent.

The demos however poured money down their various pet causes far in excess of previous spending and in direct violation of their budget promise to do the contrary.

If you don't like the national debt, give the DNC a call and tell them. <b>They</b> are the real perpatrators.

DaWolf · 06-14-2001, 11:17 AM

Clinton is just as sleazy and corrupt as the next politician. He was just careless, and didn't understand a good cover up...

Mark M · 06-14-2001, 11:18 AM

ck--
No offense taken! :D I think we can discuss this like adults. The scary thing ... I agree with Cannibal! :eek:

Regan spent [i]billions upon billions[/i] on a Star Wars program that (at least to our knowledge) never came to fruition. He spent billions on other military items ... not saying that the military didn't need some rebuilding after the Demos pretty much ruined—like they always do—but he did spend tons of cash in order to force the Russians to match us. They couldn't. So in the end it worked to our advantage. Were there defecits before? Sure. But none like there was afterwards.

Like I said, I [i]liked[/i] Regan ... best president I've seen in my lifetime. I even met him once at a TKE function (technically, he's a fraternity brother. I used to have a pic of him at his TKE house grabbing his ankles as his fraternity brothers are getting ready to swat his a$$. Too funny!) My point was that he wasn't as perfect as many Repubs think he is.

"I don't recall ..." is his famous line during the Iran-Contra thing. Frankly, I don't believe it for a second. If he [i]didn't[/i] recall, well ... that scares me. If he couldn't remember what he did 5 years before that, who was running the country?????

MM
~~Would still take Regan and debt over Clinton and scandal any day.

bkkcoh · 06-14-2001, 11:20 AM

Mark,

[quote]
"I don't recall ..." is his famous line during the Iran-Contra thing. Frankly, I don't believe it for a second. If he didn't recall, well ... that scares me. If he couldn't remember what he did 5 years before that, who was running the country?????

[/quote]

Wasn't this a common answer for the Clintons, both Hilliary and Bill?

:D

Cannibal · 06-14-2001, 11:26 AM

[quote]Reagan did not put us in debt.[/quote]

That is a lie.

Reagan spent more money than all other previous adminstrations combined.

That fuggin sign in New York that represents the National Debt w/ the numbers scrolling constantly without stopping was invented for Reagan.

Don't try telling us he didn't "put us in debt".

Mark M · 06-14-2001, 11:31 AM

bk--
If you are saying that the Clinton's used the same defense, then either: a.) they and Regan really didn't recall; or b.) they and Regan were lying. Personally, I think the Clinton's were lying and Regan was too ... although now that we know he has Alzeihmer's, it could've been true. But, again, then who was running the country?

And I'm [i]not[/i] trying to defend Clinton here. I'm just tired of hearing about it. Like ck said in his post #23, we shouldn't forget. But I don't think we need it ceaselessly pounded down our throats. Clinton was a crook ... I get it. Enought already. Sheeesh.

Sorry, but I've been on way too long. So, before I get canned let me say I'll check back later.

MM
~~Can't wait to see where this goes while he's gone.

06-14-2001, 07:39 AM
bkkcoh MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lewis Center, Ohio USA Casino cash: $9805595	Thanks to Bill Clinton :) Thank you for introducing us to Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski and about two dozen other names that we might not have met and known otherwise. Thank you for allowing a war hero and the author of one of the most successful military campaigns in military history to leave the presidency because, no matter how successful he was, we, in all our moral outrage, just wouldn't tolerate someone who would lie to the American people by promising "no new taxes" and then going back on his word. We certainly can't have a liar in the White House, now can we? Thank you for showing all the men and women in America that sexual harassment in the work place, and on the job, is okay as long as it involves powerful middle-age executives and the young women half their age under their power. It is, after all, a "private matter." Thank you for revealing that the agenda of the National Organization for Women only includes some women. Women like Anita Hill, and not women like Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski, et. al. Thank you for allowing us to come to the realization that "sexual relations" is not clearly defined after all. And all these years, I thought that "oral sex" really had something to do with sex! (Imagine!) (Or is it Oral Sex when you talk about it . . .?) Thank you for giving us a president who discusses his choice of underwear with teenagers. We always wondered if presidents wore boxers or briefs. Thank you for installing a man who reminds us of those good old days of pot smoking (without inhaling, of course) and war protesting. Thank you for showing us that the ridiculous plot of the movie, "Wag the Dog," could really be plausible after all. Thank you for reintroducing the concept of "impeachment" to a new generation that missed the discussion surrounding it the last time it was brought up. Thank you for curing me of my addiction to the evening news. Thank you for reminding us that the government that gave us the Internal Revenue Service and welfare, also lusts for control of the greatest health care system in the world. Thank you for reminding us that the FBI, who has a file on millions of Americans, including myself, can give those files to people powerful enough to demand them. Thank you for reminding us that, when all is said and done, character really, really does matter. And, in comparison: Thank you for making Dan Quayle look like the smartest man in America. Thank you for making Jimmy Carter look competent. Thank you for making Gerald Ford look graceful. Thank you for making Richard Nixon look honest. Thank you for making Lyndon Johnson look truthful. Thank you for making John Kennedy look moral. Thank you for making Al Gore look positively presidential. Thank you for reminding us of the importance of term limits. And really, Thank you not once, but twice! Why, if it was not for you, instead of the current, interesting discussion all over the television networks and newspapers, we would be focused on a whole slew of trivial matters such as giving secrets to China in exchange for campaign contributions, global defense, the economy, nukes in North Korea, genocide in Africa & Kosovo, the containment of terrorism, and all those other boring topics. So, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! Since Bill Clinton took office, here are some of the good things that have happened: 1) 72 House and Senate witnesses have pled the Fifth Amendment. 2) 17 witnesses have fled the country to avoid testifying. 3) 19 foreign witnesses have refused to be interviewed by US investigative bodies. 4) 19 charges from Whitewater investigations, 4 convictions from Whitewater investigations, 8 imprisonment's from Whitewater investigations….. 55 total charges in all Clinton scandals, 32 total convictions (so far) in all Clinton scandals, 14 total imprisonment's (sofar) in all Clinton scandals. 5) 938 overnight stays at the White House for Clinton supporters. 6) $48 million - cost of Starr's 5-Year investigation. 7) $49 million - cost of Clinton's 10 day trip to China. Yes, it's been an interesting 8 years for "the most ethical administration in the history of the Republic." Thanks....
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06-14-2001, 10:52 AM	#16
BIG_DADDY THE RED MENACE Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texas Casino cash: $4838410	I feel exactly the opposite of Mark here. BIG DADDY will NEVER forget and appreciates it when others remind us of our past so maybe we can alleviate this in the future. We are still living with many of the losses to our freedoms that clown implimented and I am hoping BUSH will not sell us down the same road as well. The lates issue being medical records privacy. Clinton sold us down the river on this and I don't think Bush is going to stop it. BIG DADDY That would piss me off. :mad: __________________ The diabolical genius of Marxism-Socialism is that it provides the emotional and intellectual road map for autocrats to persuade millions of people to support their own enslavement to government. ~Mark Levin April 15, 2019
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06-14-2001, 10:54 AM	#17
Mark M What time is it? Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: You tell me ... Casino cash: $9884900	ck-- I agree that Regan has been given the shaft. He did put us in a debt that has taken 12 years to get rid of, but the guy put the Russians out of business and guided American through one of the most prosperous eras in history. And Clinton is a complete media whore ... but if the public wouldn't keep going after the guy (admittedly for the right reasons), maybe there wouldn't be so much focus on him. The best thing we can do as a country is ignore the crooked a$$hole. But, alas, that probably won't happen any time soon. :( MM ~~Wishes Clinton wouldn't go away mad, but just go away. __________________ ChiefsPlanet -- n. The place where brilliant minds assemble to willfully pool ignorance with questionable logic in order to reach absurd conclusions.
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06-14-2001, 10:59 AM	#18
Mark M What time is it? Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: You tell me ... Casino cash: $9884900	Big-Daddy-- I'm not saying we should just forget what he did ... just stop whining about it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ... We all know he was a crook and that we should never allow a person like that be elected again (although it probably will happen again ... :( ). But c'mon ... b!tching about it like little children won't change anything. Learn the lesson, store it in memory and move on. MM ~~Likes to get on with the future, rather than dwelling on the past. __________________ ChiefsPlanet -- n. The place where brilliant minds assemble to willfully pool ignorance with questionable logic in order to reach absurd conclusions.
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06-14-2001, 11:00 AM	#19
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Thank you, Bill Clinton, for giving every right-winger in the country something to whine about, even after you've been out of office for 6 months. Jesus H. Christ, get over it already! Try thanking Bush Jr. for all he's done.
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06-14-2001, 11:02 AM	#20
bkkcoh MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lewis Center, Ohio USA Casino cash: $9805595	Clint, What about all of the lib's whining about what Reagan did how long ago.??;) __________________ Brian K. Aspire to Inspire before you Expire
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06-14-2001, 11:03 AM	#21
ck_IN Feels so good. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Mark, don't be offended, but you are sorely confused. A clear victim of revisionist history. Reagan <b>did not</b> put us in debt. He agreed to a budget deal with the Demo controlled Congress that if taxes were cut, spending would be cut proportionatly. Taxes were cut, revenues did rise, but the Demos broke their promise (surprised?) and raised spending faster than the rising revenues. Revenues increased for 6 of Reagan's 8 years. (The first two years with a GOP led Congress, we were overcoming the mess left by Carter.) For all 6 of those years the Demo controlled congress trash canned Reagan's budget, and wrote their own. They then delivered it at the 11th hour and told Reagan to sign it or Govt would shut down. My only sadness is that Reagan didn't call their bluff and shut things down. If the spend-thrift Demos of the 80's had been exposed for what they were, the deficits wouldn't have happened. __________________ As sweet as Tupelo Honey
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06-14-2001, 11:05 AM	#22
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I hardly ever hear or read anything negative about Reagan until conservatives start crying about Clinton. Why are we discussing past Presidents, anyway? There's PLENTY to talk about involving our new President.
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06-14-2001, 11:08 AM	#23
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Reagan raised spending. Remember the Cold War? Reagan even said he would spend as much of our money as needed to break the Soviet's collective backs and win the Cold War. It was a contest and we "won", but Reagan spent more money in his eight years that all other administrations combined. Last edited by Cannibal; 06-14-2001 at 11:10 AM..
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06-14-2001, 11:12 AM	#24
ck_IN Feels so good. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Then you weren't paying attention Clint. The revisionists didn't let the Oval Office chair cool before they started trashing Reagan. As for Bush I'm not thrilled with him, but he seems to be bringing a level headed, thought out, non focus grouped approach to his job. So far, so good and a wonderful change. Mark, I'm not putting the Clinton tenure on a par with the Holocaust for obvious reasons, but the surviors have a saying; 'Never forget'. It applies to Clinton. We mustn't allow some to tell us what we know happened didn't happen, or happened some other way. Honestly recounting Clinton's sleaze and corruption isn't whining. It's keeping history honest. And honesty is a rare commodity when dealing with that particular individual. __________________ As sweet as Tupelo Honey
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06-14-2001, 11:16 AM	#25
ck_IN Feels so good. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Reagan's millitary spending ended the greatest threat the free world has ever known, including Hitler. It was money well spent. The demos however poured money down their various pet causes far in excess of previous spending and in direct violation of their budget promise to do the contrary. If you don't like the national debt, give the DNC a call and tell them. <b>They</b> are the real perpatrators. __________________ As sweet as Tupelo Honey
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06-14-2001, 11:17 AM	#26
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Clinton is just as sleazy and corrupt as the next politician. He was just careless, and didn't understand a good cover up...
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06-14-2001, 11:18 AM	#27
Mark M What time is it? Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: You tell me ... Casino cash: $9884900	ck-- No offense taken! :D I think we can discuss this like adults. The scary thing ... I agree with Cannibal! :eek: Regan spent [i]billions upon billions[/i] on a Star Wars program that (at least to our knowledge) never came to fruition. He spent billions on other military items ... not saying that the military didn't need some rebuilding after the Demos pretty much ruined—like they always do—but he did spend tons of cash in order to force the Russians to match us. They couldn't. So in the end it worked to our advantage. Were there defecits before? Sure. But none like there was afterwards. Like I said, I [i]liked[/i] Regan ... best president I've seen in my lifetime. I even met him once at a TKE function (technically, he's a fraternity brother. I used to have a pic of him at his TKE house grabbing his ankles as his fraternity brothers are getting ready to swat his a$$. Too funny!) My point was that he wasn't as perfect as many Repubs think he is. "I don't recall ..." is his famous line during the Iran-Contra thing. Frankly, I don't believe it for a second. If he [i]didn't[/i] recall, well ... that scares me. If he couldn't remember what he did 5 years before that, who was running the country????? MM ~~Would still take Regan and debt over Clinton and scandal any day. __________________ ChiefsPlanet -- n. The place where brilliant minds assemble to willfully pool ignorance with questionable logic in order to reach absurd conclusions.
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06-14-2001, 11:20 AM	#28
bkkcoh MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lewis Center, Ohio USA Casino cash: $9805595	Mark, [quote] "I don't recall ..." is his famous line during the Iran-Contra thing. Frankly, I don't believe it for a second. If he didn't recall, well ... that scares me. If he couldn't remember what he did 5 years before that, who was running the country????? [/quote] Wasn't this a common answer for the Clintons, both Hilliary and Bill? :D __________________ Brian K. Aspire to Inspire before you Expire
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06-14-2001, 11:26 AM	#29
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	[quote]Reagan did not put us in debt.[/quote] That is a lie. Reagan spent more money than all other previous adminstrations combined. That fuggin sign in New York that represents the National Debt w/ the numbers scrolling constantly without stopping was invented for Reagan. Don't try telling us he didn't "put us in debt".
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06-14-2001, 11:31 AM	#30
Mark M What time is it? Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: You tell me ... Casino cash: $9884900	bk-- If you are saying that the Clinton's used the same defense, then either: a.) they and Regan really didn't recall; or b.) they and Regan were lying. Personally, I think the Clinton's were lying and Regan was too ... although now that we know he has Alzeihmer's, it could've been true. But, again, then who was running the country? And I'm [i]not[/i] trying to defend Clinton here. I'm just tired of hearing about it. Like ck said in his post #23, we shouldn't forget. But I don't think we need it ceaselessly pounded down our throats. Clinton was a crook ... I get it. Enought already. Sheeesh. Sorry, but I've been on way too long. So, before I get canned let me say I'll check back later. MM ~~Can't wait to see where this goes while he's gone. __________________ ChiefsPlanet -- n. The place where brilliant minds assemble to willfully pool ignorance with questionable logic in order to reach absurd conclusions.
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