So how do you do a coinflip among 3 teams?

[cmh6476]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/order

[Delano]

Originally Posted by cmh6476

this is from nfl.com:

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

You are regurgitating everything mentioned in cdcox's brilliant thread.

This has already been spelled out if you care to look.

[Delano]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

damn, we have to wait that long

You can practice in your basement with a quarter.

That should help me and my patience disorder.

[Mr. Laz]

just forget it .... you know we will end up 5th


we are cursed



hell .... we could go 1-15 next year and there will still be 3 other teams with the same record.

we would will end up picking 4th in a one win season.

[RNR]

So how do you do a coinflip among 3 teams?
Easy one team gets heads, one team gets tails, and the other prays it lands on end

[cmh6476]

Originally Posted by Delano

You are regurgitating everything mentioned in cdcox's brilliant thread.

This has already been spelled out if you care to look.

I did look, but it isn;'t really laid out in the initial post, it still has crap saying if we win or if oakland wins blah blah blah


I just want someone to tell me when we pick and why. I dont feel like wading through 15 pages to see if that is in there.



Also, didn't I read somehwere that teams with the same record, the top pick in the 1st round then moves to the back of the bus in the 2nd while all those other tied teams move up?

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by Delano

You are all mixed up.

Atlanta and Oakland flip for the three slot and if Oakland wins, KC and Atlanta flip for fourth. If Atlanta wins the first flip, they get three, Oakland four, and finally, KC at five.

Nah, I'm confident my scenario is correct. I've read it on three different publications this morning and the rules make sense. Oakland cannot pick ahead of us but they can pick ahead of Atlanta because they are in different conferences.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Delano

You are all mixed up.

Atlanta and Oakland flip for the three slot and if Oakland wins, KC and Atlanta flip for fourth. If Atlanta wins the first flip, they get three, Oakland four, and finally, KC at five.

This is the procedure that I posted the second the Jets FG went through. It is based on what I believe to be the correct interpretation of the NFL tiebreaking procedures. The Raiders would have to draft before KC no matter what.

However, the NFL has said they will "decide" how to break the tie today. To me there is no decision, since the procedure for breaking the tie was laid out in advance. The only different way they could do this and stay within what they previously published is to do the KC-Atl flip for the 4/5 slot first. If KC wins that flip the draft order would be Oakland, KC, Atlanta. If Atlanta wins the first flip, then KC would draft 5th and Oakland and Atlanta would flip again for the 3/4 spots.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Nah, I'm confident my scenario is correct. I've read it on three different publications this morning and the rules make sense. Oakland cannot pick ahead of us but they can pick ahead of Atlanta because they are in different conferences.

Those publications are wrong. Oakland has the division tiebreaker on us because our record is better in common games. That is used before the conference record.

[BigMeatballDave]

If we could have just lost in Oakland, this wouldn't be an issue...

[Braincase]

3 coins, flipped once

One option is to let someone be all heads/tails (2 chances)
2/1 Tails (2 chances)
2/1 Heads (2 chances)

First round decides 3rd, then a regular coin flip for 4/5.

At least that's the way I would do it...

[Chief Chief]

Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

So how do you do a coinflip among 3 teams?
Easy one team gets heads, one team gets tails, and the other prays it lands on end

Check Post #11.

[cmh6476]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Those publications are wrong. Oakland has the division tiebreaker on us because our record is better in common games. That is used before the conference record.

yeah but I think the playoff tiebreakers and selection tiebreakers are seperate and non-binding. Not sure of that, but the way nfl.com lists tiebreakers they are separate entities.

So I wouldn't see why Oakland couldn't finish last in the division yet still pick behind a division-rival in the draft...

[cmh6476]

Originally Posted by Braincase

3 coins, flipped once

One option is to let someone be all heads/tails (2 chances)
2/1 Tails (2 chances)
2/1 Heads (2 chances)

First round decides 3rd, then a regular coin flip for 4/5.

At least that's the way I would do it...

you should email paul

[cdcox]

Here is the complete explanation:

Miami gets the first 1-15
StL get the second. 3-13

Now Oakland, us and Atlanta are tied for the third with the same record (4-12) and the same SOS.

We have to break the tie with Oakland first, since we are in the same divsion.

Oakland must pick before us because they win the division tiebreaker (an 11 step procedure) based on KC having a stronger record against common opponents. Therefore KC cannot pick before Oakland.

Now who should pick first between Oakland and Atlanta. Here the tiebreaker is a coin flip since Atlanta and Oakland are not in the same conference or the same division.

If Atlanta wins the coin flip they will pick 3rd. Oakland will pick 4th because the have to pick before KC. And we will pick 5th.

If Oakland wins the coin flip agains Atlanta, they will pick 3rd. Who picks 4th and 5th? Again we would need a coin flip between KC and Atlanta to determine this.

In short Oakland will get the 3rd or 4th, KC the 4th or 5th and Atlanta is the only team that could draft in any one of the slots.

[cmh6476]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Here is the complete explanation:

Miami gets the first 1-15
StL get the second. 3-13

Now Oakland, us and Atlanta are tied for the third with the same record (4-12) and the same SOS.

We have to break the tie with Oakland first, since we are in the same divsion.

Oakland must pick before us because they win the division tiebreaker (an 11 step procedure) based on KC having a stronger record against common opponents. Therefore KC cannot pick before Oakland.

Now who should pick first between Oakland and Atlanta. Here the tiebreaker is a coin flip since Atlanta and Oakland are not in the same conference or the same division.

If Atlanta wins the coin flip they will pick 3rd. Oakland will pick 4th because the have to pick before KC. And we will pick 5th.

If Oakland wins the coin flip agains Atlanta, they will pick 3rd. Who picks 4th and 5th? Again we would need a coin flip between KC and Atlanta to determine this.

In short Oakland will get the 3rd or 4th, KC the 4th or 5th and Atlanta is the only team that could draft in any one of the slots.

yeah but I still don't think you break the ties for playoffs and division seedings the same as you do for draft selection. Do you know for a fact this is the case?