Why Turk McBride Sucks - Page 2

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-01-2008, 06:02 PM

Other than the fact that we see him prove it on the field.

The McBride pick was a waste of a prime draft spot

The McBride pick cost us a chance at Ryan Kalil

The McBride pick may very well cause us to pass on Sedrick Ellis and take a less effective player like Jake Long because Herm will think that Turk still has potential.

fuck.

FAX · 01-01-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

It was a pick at a need position in the spot where he was projected to go. If he doesn't work out he can join the other 1/3 or so of other picks that don't.

1/3 ?

No offense, Mr. Messier peep, but where did that number come from?

FAX

Messier · 01-01-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

1/3 ?

No offense, Mr. Messier peep, but where did that number come from?

FAX

Wow! You think more than 2/3 of draft picks work out? I thought I was being kind.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-01-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The McBride pick cost us a chance at Ryan Kalil

Ryan Kalil? Ha.

How about Samson Satele? He started all 16 games and played very well for Miami.

Kalil only played in 5 games.

Regardless, the Chiefs thought they were set with Weigman at center so they weren't going to take Satele or Kalil anyway.

**alanm** · 01-01-2008, 06:39 PM

I knew I could count on you to be optimistic at the start of the New Year.

FAX · 01-01-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Wow! You think more than 2/3 of draft picks work out? I thought I was being kind.

No. Not really. I believe ChiefsPlanet research has proven that, during Carl's tenure, somewhere around 10% of our draft picks have worked out in the sense that they actually helped the team win actual games during the actual football season.

FAX

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-01-2008, 06:52 PM

How could you think you were set at Center with a 34 year old undersized guy playing in the wrong scheme?

Messier · 01-01-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

No. Not really. I believe ChiefsPlanet research has proven that, during Carl's tenure, somewhere around 10% of our draft picks have worked out in the sense that they actually helped the team win actual games during the actual football season.

FAX

Oh no, I meant for all teams. I'd say less than 2/3 of picks work out. I'd say it's more like 1/2.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-01-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

How could you think you were set at Center with a 34 year old undersized guy playing in the wrong scheme?

Hey, I didn't say *I* thought they were set. The Chiefs thought that.

I don't know how the entire front office felt like the team could have ANY success when every offensive lineman (including their tight ends Gonzalez and Dunn) were over the age of 30. 30! Every fucking one of those guys.

It's a mystery.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-01-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Hey, I didn't say *I* thought they were set. The Chiefs thought that.

I don't know how the entire front office felt like the team could have ANY success when every offensive lineman (including their tight ends Gonzalez and Dunn) were over the age of 30. 30! Every fucking one of those guys.

It's a mystery.

It was a rhetorical "you". How you could pass up two high quality centers for a tweener DE/DT is mindfuckingboggling. It's not like he's a tweener DE/OLB in a 3-4

Wile_E_Coyote · 01-01-2008, 07:02 PM

They thought Niswanger was the COF. What happened?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

They thought Niswanger was the COF. What happened?

Hell, the previous regime thought Jared Allen was the LSOTF.

Maybe Herm thinks Rudy can be a DT?

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-01-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

They thought Niswanger was the COF. What happened?

I don't know where that "rumor" came from but maybe since he played all five positions along the offensive line at LSU, someone thought he'd be a capable center.

Personally, I felt that Niswanger played very well at right guard and that's where he should stay.

Moving Jordan Black around is what ultimately hindered his play in KC. I don't want to see that happen with another promising player.

BigRock · 01-01-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

How you could pass up two high quality centers for a tweener DE/DT is mindfuckingboggling.

I thought you were rallying against the idea of drafting for need. Now we should have done that instead of taking Turk?

Regardless, I really can't imagine Herm sitting there on draft day going "Well, this DT is the highest rated player on our board and one of the 4-5 best players in this draft. But, fuck 'im, we've got TURK MCBRIDE!"

suds79 · 01-01-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The McBride pick may very well cause us to pass on Sedrick Ellis and take a less effective player like Jake Long because Herm will think that Turk still has potential.

fuck.

That might actually be a good thing.

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Of this years 6 Pro-Bowl DTs, I believe only one of them was lighter than 310.

So please don't waste time with this silly talk about cover 2 pass rushing, light in the pants, 285 lb DTs because it's all bull.

Just get the big fatties who command double teams.

**Rain Man** · 01-01-2008, 07:53 PM

I don't know about McBride yet, but I think it is true that our second-round drafts inevitably stink. I think the reason is that Carl always selects someone at this pick with "good measurables" who wasn't on the traditional draft board, and it pretty much never works out. After 19 years, he's still never figured out that production on the field is what counts.

19 years of Carl's drafts, and what do these guys have in common, besides general suckage. Grunhard and Tongue are the only two who have been decent players for us.

2007 - Turk McBride
2006 - Bernard Pollard
2005 - (Trade for Surtain)
2004 - Junior Siavii/Kris Wilson
2003 - Kawika Mitchell
2002 - Eddie Freeman
2001 - (Traded for something I can't remember)
2000 - William Bartee
1999 - Mike Cloud
1998 - (Traded for something I can't remember)
1997 - Kevin Lockett
1996 - Reggie Tongue
1995 - (Traded for something I can't remember)
1994 - Donnell Bennett
1993 - (Traded for something I can't remember)
1992 - Darren Mickell EDIT: Matt Blundin, not Mickell. Mickell was a supplemental draft guy.
1991 - Joe Valerio
1990 - Tim Grunhard
1989 - Mike Elkins

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Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2928491 VARSITY	I don't know about McBride yet, but I think it is true that our second-round drafts inevitably stink. I think the reason is that Carl always selects someone at this pick with "good measurables" who wasn't on the traditional draft board, and it pretty much never works out. After 19 years, he's still never figured out that production on the field is what counts. 19 years of Carl's drafts, and what do these guys have in common, besides general suckage. Grunhard and Tongue are the only two who have been decent players for us. 2007 - Turk McBride 2006 - Bernard Pollard 2005 - (Trade for Surtain) 2004 - Junior Siavii/Kris Wilson 2003 - Kawika Mitchell 2002 - Eddie Freeman 2001 - (Traded for something I can't remember) 2000 - William Bartee 1999 - Mike Cloud 1998 - (Traded for something I can't remember) 1997 - Kevin Lockett 1996 - Reggie Tongue 1995 - (Traded for something I can't remember) 1994 - Donnell Bennett 1993 - (Traded for something I can't remember) 1992 - Darren Mickell EDIT: Matt Blundin, not Mickell. Mickell was a supplemental draft guy. 1991 - Joe Valerio 1990 - Tim Grunhard 1989 - Mike Elkins __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit. Last edited by Rain Man; 01-01-2008 at 10:14 PM..
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