Alright, let's settle this once and for all...

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Who is a better overall baseball player, John Buck or Miguel Olivo?

[Fish]

The dark brown turd floats slightly more upright than the lighter-colored turd.....

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

Royals record with John Buck catching:

33-32

Royals record with Miguel Olivo catching:

10-21

Thread over.

KC is obviously a .500 club with Buck in the lineup. WTF Hillman?!? It's a statistic, so it must be accurate.

Regarding Buck vs. Olivo, they're both equally below average, each in different ways. However, both could be the catcher on a winning team with other pieces in place.

[beavis]

They guy makes one bad play and we're calling for his head?

[Reaper16]

I don't know if they are below average. They seem pretty damn average compared to other starting catchers. Sure, they're below average for a theoretical benchmark of what a good MLB catcher should be... but the simple truth is that there are practically no good catchers in the majors.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

But how many of those Buck wins also included Olivo's bat in the lineup at DH?

Does it really matter? Even if you could make a case that Buck's wins benefitted from Olivo's bat at the DH spot, it's just going to highlight the fact that Olivo shouldn't be the one behind the plate. After all, Olivo's bat was in the lineup for 100% of his starts at catcher, and look at that record.

I honestly had no idea the split was that extreme.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Sure, they're below average for a theoretical benchmark of what a good MLB catcher should be... but the simple truth is that there are practically no good catchers in the majors.

I can agree with this.

[CHENZ A!]

I'd be willing to take just about anyone other than Buck's sorry ass.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

Royals record with John Buck catching:

33-32

Royals record with Miguel Olivo catching:

10-21

any way to find out the starting pitchers ERA with each catcher?

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

Royals record with John Buck catching:

33-32

Royals record with Miguel Olivo catching:

10-21

Thread over.

the royals had a good record at the beginning of the year when dejesus was on the DL and gathright was playing. does that mean gathright is better than dejesus?

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by sedated

any way to find out the starting pitchers ERA with each catcher?

Someone has posted this info. before. It's better with Buck, and, if I'm remembering correctly, by a pretty decent margin.

I posted Buck's defensive stats in yesterday's game thread. He ranks 8th in the AL.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

Royals record with John Buck catching:

33-32

Royals record with Miguel Olivo catching:

10-21

Thread over.

Buck gets better pitchers by far is what that statistic speaks to, imo. I think Buck is the better catcher but Olivo is the better hitter. I think that's Hillman's take as well.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

stats dont lie especially in baseball, olivo is 100 times better than worthless buck

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

stats dont lie especially in baseball, olivo is 100 times better than worthless buck

And which are the stats that show that?

[Boris The Great]

Originally Posted by thurman merman

the royals had a good record at the beginning of the year when dejesus was on the DL and gathright was playing. does that mean gathright is better than dejesus?

I assumed that everyone understood the basic tenant of baseball that catchers are somewhat more important to the overall performance of a team than utility outfielders are. I was clearly wrong to assume this, and I apologize for the mistake.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

And which are the stats that show that?

olivo has thrown out 9 runners out of 19, when buck has thrown out 5 out of 38. Also olivo has almost twice as many HRs, more RBi's, and a better batting avg.