Chiefs Why isn't Herm gone? part II - Page 2

whoman69 · 09-27-2008, 07:58 AM

Before the Atlanta game I posted a poll about when to pull the trigger on firing Herm. I think it was partly skewed by the fact that more than half thought he shouldn't have even started this season. Let's take out the rewriting history part. Its a mess, how do you deal with it. I'm posting a poll with a different look. I'd like to hear from the nearly 20% who in the first poll wanted to see how this season plays out.

CupidStunt · 09-27-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

I'm not a Herm apologist, I'm just saying, firing him now isn't going to change anything.

If whoever takes over isn't afraid of offense, sure it will.

The sooner the hack is gone the better. Every game he coaches hurts a little more.

el borracho · 09-27-2008, 10:34 AM

Herm is terrible and should have been fired immediately after last season. He should have been fired again after the Hagans option nonsense and fired again after losing to the lowly Falcons in such pathetic fashion. Herm is a loser who will never get another head coaching job in the league and he offers nothing positive to the team at this point. Fire him and move on.

Mr. Laz · 09-27-2008, 10:43 AM

people still just don't get that the Hunt Family runs the Chiefs like a business.

firing Herm and then having to pay 2 head coaches is a very difficult business decision.

they are trying to ride it out while they are under construction at arrowhead.

quick changes generally are bad for a business

the chiefs have enough season ticket holders to remain profitable for another year with Herm around.

i will still not be shocked to see Herm and Carl here next year.

the only thing that will force a change is if the Hunts feel "embarrassed" about the situation.

**Bearcat** · 09-27-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

What good goes about from keeping him on the rest of the season? Why do we continue to teach our young players in a losing scheme?

Unfortunately, I don't think firing him in the middle of the season does any good if there's no continuity... meaning, if we go with an interim head coach, it's just that much more change to deal with.

I think the only way it would work is if Gailey got full control of the offense for the rest of the season, and then was allowed to keep full control under the new coach. That would give the team several weeks to learn an offense that doesn't have Herm's dirty hands all over it and not have to learn another scheme next season.

Like I said in your previous poll, I think we dug our own grave when Carl decided he was tired of having an offensive coordinator as a head coach and decided to go with a defensive coordinator.

**2112** · 09-27-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

people still just don't get that the Hunt Family runs the Chiefs like a business.

firing Herm and then having to pay 2 head coaches is a very difficult business decision.

they are trying to ride it out while they are under construction at arrowhead.

quick changes generally are bad for a business

the chiefs have enough season ticket holders to remain profitable for another year with Herm around.

i will still not be shocked to see Herm and Carl here next year.

the only thing that will force a change is if the Hunts feel "embarrassed" about the situation.

Then they should fire that dumb**** Peterson for putting them in this position. the ****ing Hunt's might possibly be dumber than Herm himself.

el borracho · 09-27-2008, 10:47 AM

No, you have it wrong. Gailey should be promoted to interim coach and then fired at the end of the season along with everyone else.

milkman · 09-27-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimension2112

Then they should fire that dumb**** Peterson for putting them in this position. the ****ing Hunt's might possibly be dumber than Herm himself.

Mr. Laz · 09-27-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimension2112

Then they should fire that dumb**** Peterson for putting them in this position. the ****ing Hunt's might possibly be dumber than Herm himself.

but if they were really worried about that they would of fired Carl Peterson when he put Gunther Cunningham in as Head Coach.

think about it this way

if you didn't watch the football games
if you didn't watch ESPN
If you didn't live in Kansas City

if you only looked at the scores
if you only looked that bottom line profit business statement.

you wouldn't be in near the rush to make any changes

the Chiefs are still showing 20-30 million dollars in profit each year.

if you received a check for 30 million each year would you be ready to make any changes?

**2112** · 09-27-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

but if they were really worried about that they would of fired Carl Peterson when he put Gunther Cunningham in as Head Coach.

think about it this way

if you didn't watch the football games
if you didn't watch ESPN
If you didn't live in Kansas City

if you only looked at the scores
if you only looked that bottom line profit business statement.

you wouldn't be in near the rush to make any changes

the Chiefs are still showing 20-30 million dollars in profit each year.

if you received a check for 30 million each year would you be ready to make any changes?

What is the ultimate goal of any sane person that owns a sports franchise?

it should be winning a Championship (yes, Steinbrenner might be insane but he tries very hard to make that his ultimate goal)

If the Chiefs are run simply as a business without caring about the success of the team that is pitiful and sad. but regardless of the profits once the product starts to suck nobody is gonna go and pay to see it.

The mediocrity made sense because it's like putting a carrot in front of you while you're on a treadmill, and I hate that shit too. you guys can't win.

**Bearcat** · 09-27-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

if you received a check for 30 million each year would you be ready to make any changes?

Just like any company, if you don't see the writing on the wall, you're going to get left behind. Staying on top isn't about the status quo.

**Buehler445** · 09-27-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

but if they were really worried about that they would of fired Carl Peterson when he put Gunther Cunningham in as Head Coach.

think about it this way

if you didn't watch the football games
if you didn't watch ESPN
If you didn't live in Kansas City

if you only looked at the scores
if you only looked that bottom line profit business statement.

you wouldn't be in near the rush to make any changes

the Chiefs are still showing 20-30 million dollars in profit each year.

if you received a check for 30 million each year would you be ready to make any changes?

If the Hunts were truely savvy businessmen, they would obviously be aware of opportunity cost. We have a great and loyal fanbase, but as with every business venture, there is opportunity for improvement. I don't think the Hunts are niaive enough to think that putting a winning program out there wouldn't dramatically improve profitability. You put San Deigo's team in this market, and it would yeild much higher profits than would our 12 game skid would.

Moreover, if the Hunts were indeed savvy businessmen, they would appreciate the $30M check yearly, but any good businessman would need at least reasonable assurance that the profit stream was sustainable. In conjunction with that, I don't think any decent businessman buries his head in the sand about the factors affecting his precious profitability.

The arguement that the Hunts are bad owners because they value business more than winning is valid, but IMO it does not apply to keeping Herman ****ing Edwards on staff.

PastorMikH · 09-27-2008, 11:36 AM

As much as I hate to think it, I have a feeling Herm will be here through not only this season but next as well.

Carl has 1 year left on his contract. As much as I am ready for a change at GM, I just don't see Clark firing him. He's been with the organization for 19 years, Lamar thought a lot of Carl and Clark knows that. I think the Hunts are too upstanding to fire a guy one year from retirement that has been close to the family like Carl has been.

If Carl is going to be gone after next season, I think it will be tough finding a HC to come in and work for his boss 1 year before a new GM comes in who may want to go in another direction anyway. Carl also said when Herm was hired that Herm would be his last HC hiring. I just don't see a HC change until there is a GM change.

I also am hearing that this is supposedly the first real year of rebuilding - that in itself will probably keep the top guys around another season.

I may be wrong, I hope I'm wrong, but I really think we'll be back to Herm and Carl next year as well.

**007** · 09-27-2008, 11:40 AM

Where is the "Yes, 12 games is enough" option?

**Buehler445** · 09-27-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

As much as I hate to think it, I have a feeling Herm will be here through not only this season but next as well.

Carl has 1 year left on his contract. As much as I am ready for a change at GM, I just don't see Clark firing him. He's been with the organization for 19 years, Lamar thought a lot of Carl and Clark knows that. I think the Hunts are too upstanding to fire a guy one year from retirement that has been close to the family like Carl has been.

If Carl is going to be gone after next season, I think it will be tough finding a HC to come in and work for his boss 1 year before a new GM comes in who may want to go in another direction anyway. Carl also said when Herm was hired that Herm would be his last HC hiring. I just don't see a HC change until there is a GM change.

I also am hearing that this is supposedly the first real year of rebuilding - that in itself will probably keep the top guys around another season.

I may be wrong, I hope I'm wrong, but I really think we'll be back to Herm and Carl next year as well.

Unfortunately I think you are correct.

Reerun_KC · 09-27-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

I also am hearing that this is supposedly the first real year of rebuilding - that in itself will probably keep the top guys around another season.

Its called BS..... Only reason is Carl and Herm are trying to save there pathetic asses on this deal...

Any other city or team and these two posers would be gone, But in KC its accepted as status quo.

View Poll Results: Would you have fired Herm?
Yes, three games is enough	40	55.56%
If we lose X more games	4	5.56%
Let's see how this season plays out	27	37.50%
Whatever Gaz decides	1	1.39%
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09-27-2008, 07:58 AM
whoman69 The Master Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Marion, IA Casino cash: $10004925	Why isn't Herm gone? part II Before the Atlanta game I posted a poll about when to pull the trigger on firing Herm. I think it was partly skewed by the fact that more than half thought he shouldn't have even started this season. Let's take out the rewriting history part. Its a mess, how do you deal with it. I'm posting a poll with a different look. I'd like to hear from the nearly 20% who in the first poll wanted to see how this season plays out.
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09-27-2008, 10:34 AM	#17
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2729148	Herm is terrible and should have been fired immediately after last season. He should have been fired again after the Hagans option nonsense and fired again after losing to the lowly Falcons in such pathetic fashion. Herm is a loser who will never get another head coaching job in the league and he offers nothing positive to the team at this point. Fire him and move on.
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09-27-2008, 10:43 AM	#18
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	people still just don't get that the Hunt Family runs the Chiefs like a business. firing Herm and then having to pay 2 head coaches is a very difficult business decision. they are trying to ride it out while they are under construction at arrowhead. quick changes generally are bad for a business the chiefs have enough season ticket holders to remain profitable for another year with Herm around. i will still not be shocked to see Herm and Carl here next year. the only thing that will force a change is if the Hunts feel "embarrassed" about the situation. __________________
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09-27-2008, 10:47 AM	#21
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2729148	No, you have it wrong. Gailey should be promoted to interim coach and then fired at the end of the season along with everyone else.
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09-27-2008, 11:36 AM	#27
PastorMikH Will KC ever be better? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Land of Red Dirt & Necks Casino cash: $9905087	As much as I hate to think it, I have a feeling Herm will be here through not only this season but next as well. Carl has 1 year left on his contract. As much as I am ready for a change at GM, I just don't see Clark firing him. He's been with the organization for 19 years, Lamar thought a lot of Carl and Clark knows that. I think the Hunts are too upstanding to fire a guy one year from retirement that has been close to the family like Carl has been. If Carl is going to be gone after next season, I think it will be tough finding a HC to come in and work for his boss 1 year before a new GM comes in who may want to go in another direction anyway. Carl also said when Herm was hired that Herm would be his last HC hiring. I just don't see a HC change until there is a GM change. I also am hearing that this is supposedly the first real year of rebuilding - that in itself will probably keep the top guys around another season. I may be wrong, I hope I'm wrong, but I really think we'll be back to Herm and Carl next year as well. __________________
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09-27-2008, 11:40 AM	#28
007 Shaken. Not stirred. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Casino cash: $12220126 VARSITY	Where is the "Yes, 12 games is enough" option? __________________ My dear girl, there are some things that just aren’t done. Such as, drinking Dom Perignon ’53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs.
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