Prayer Request R.I.P Gary - Page 2

Farzin · 11-17-2008, 07:16 PM

http://www.kctv5.com/traffic/17999514/detail.html

This was the top story on all news stations in KC at noon.

Gary went to school when he wrote in his journal during english class about what was on his mind. He turned it into his teacher and left school. Sometime before 9:30, Gary sent a few of his close friends a text saying "goodbye."

Gary was a friend of mine during high school and I always enjoyed talking to him. I just don't know why he made this choice.

I would apprechiate all prayers.

R.I.P Gary. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

Thig Lyfe · 11-17-2008, 07:57 PM

Suicide is for noobs, but it's a little much to just flippantly say "He's an asshole, **** him." It's very possible that he had mental health issues that nobody picked up on. There are always signs that somebody is suicidal, and sometimes it takes a close friend or family member to catch those signs and get the person help before it's too late.

That doesn't excuse him for making a stupid decision, but obviously the kid needed help that nobody offered.

Sure-Oz · 11-17-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer

Suicide is for noobs, but it's a little much to just flippantly say "He's an asshole, **** him." It's very possible that he had mental health issues that nobody picked up on. There are always signs that somebody is suicidal, and sometimes it takes a close friend or family member to catch those signs and get the person help before it's too late.

That doesn't excuse him for making a stupid decision, but obviously the kid needed help that nobody offered.

There are not always signs honestly...

**SAUTO** · 11-17-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer

Suicide is for noobs, but it's a little much to just flippantly say "He's an asshole, **** him." It's very possible that he had mental health issues that nobody picked up on. There are always signs that somebody is suicidal, and sometimes it takes a close friend or family member to catch those signs and get the person help before it's too late.That doesn't excuse him for making a stupid decision, but obviously the kid needed help that nobody offered.

like saying goodbye via text? where were those "friends" not calling the cops i presume.

Hermcock · 11-17-2008, 08:03 PM

Was Gary Protzmann a Kansas City Chiefs fan?

**chasedude** · 11-17-2008, 08:11 PM

I can see this debate is going to get nasty. Take it somewhere else keep it out of Farzin's prayer thread.

Farzin, just remember the good times.

Stanley Nickels · 11-17-2008, 08:12 PM

This thread has potential for a blowup we really don't want.

Suicide is selfish.
Kids make mistakes.
Rationale is subjective, especially when your hormones are going in every direction.
To the OP, don't let it keep you down. Use the event as a lesson to notice signs in other friends and family, and interject if you feel it necessary.

**BigRedChief** · 11-17-2008, 08:13 PM

Suicide is a cowards way out. It also says I don't care how how much pain I cause others I want mine to stop. Who knows what it takes to get to that point? Whats everybody's breaking point? Walk a mile in their shoes before throwing stones etc...

But also I don't believe in kicking a man when he's down.

**luv** · 11-17-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Rationalization for taking the easy way out.

I'm not a qualified expert and I'm not looking to pick a fight with anybody. My comments were designed to help Farzin feel better about it instead of feeling badly about the whole situation.

That's just it. If he's in that state of mind, then there was probably no one who would have been able to rationalize anything with him, including himself. While I've had the thoughts like, "How would the world be different without me?", "Who would attend my funeral?", etc, I've never actually considered offing myself. I've never been that far into that state of mind to understand how a person like that must be feeling or the thoughts rolling through his head. You're calling him a loser and telling his friend to forget he ever existed. You're not just telling his friend to be mad about the situation.

**luv** · 11-17-2008, 08:18 PM

As the OP asks, I will send good thoughts to his friends and family.

11-17-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

That's just it. If he's in that state of mind, then there was probably no one who would have been able to rationalize anything with him, including himself. While I've had the thoughts like, "How would the world be different without me?", "Who would attend my funeral?", etc, I've never actually considered offing myself. I've never been that far into that state of mind to understand how a person like that must be feeling or the thoughts rolling through his head. You're calling him a loser and telling his friend to forget he ever existed. You're not just telling his friend to be mad about the situation.

I have a strong opinion about this and I'm happy to answer your questions and defend my position but I won't continue it on this thread.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 11-17-2008, 08:21 PM

I don't think it's fair to judge someone by their "mental toughness". There are a lot of factors that contribute to it that is completely out of our control. We're conditioned as children to act, and react to things differently. What may have seemed simple to many of you could have been beyond unbearable for this young man. And he was a young man. 17. That was the toughest year of my life, and 18 wasn't a whole helluva lot better. It's a shame, it's not like this kid had 30-40 years of experience to base his decision off of.

**luv** · 11-17-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I have a strong opinion about this and I'm happy to answer your questions and defend my position but I won't continue it on this thread.

I agree with your opinions to an extent, but there's no need for further discussion. No defending necessary. Didn't mean to come across as that offensive.

BigVE · 11-17-2008, 08:31 PM

Sorry for your loss. Sorry that poor kid thought that there was no other answer than this. Sorry for his family and friends.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-17-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I'm sorry for your loss dude. I won't feel sorry for Gary. Gary was a self-centered a-hole with zero regard for his family or friends. His entire legacy is defined by this one moment, taking the lazy way out. If he were an acquaintance of mine, I'd attend the funeral for his family's sake and then expel him from existence. I simply cannot and will not tolerate suicide.

Jesus ****ing Christ.

11-17-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Jesus ****ing Christ.

Thanks for your prayers.

11-17-2008, 07:16 PM
Farzin Host of "The Chiefs Zone" Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	R.I.P Gary http://www.kctv5.com/traffic/17999514/detail.html This was the top story on all news stations in KC at noon. Gary went to school when he wrote in his journal during english class about what was on his mind. He turned it into his teacher and left school. Sometime before 9:30, Gary sent a few of his close friends a text saying "goodbye." Gary was a friend of mine during high school and I always enjoyed talking to him. I just don't know why he made this choice. I would apprechiate all prayers. R.I.P Gary. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family.
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11-17-2008, 07:57 PM	#16
Thig Lyfe Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Thigpen's America Casino cash: $10004900	Suicide is for noobs, but it's a little much to just flippantly say "He's an asshole, **** him." It's very possible that he had mental health issues that nobody picked up on. There are always signs that somebody is suicidal, and sometimes it takes a close friend or family member to catch those signs and get the person help before it's too late. That doesn't excuse him for making a stupid decision, but obviously the kid needed help that nobody offered.
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11-17-2008, 08:03 PM	#19
Hermcock Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	Was Gary Protzmann a Kansas City Chiefs fan?
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11-17-2008, 08:11 PM	#20
chasedude Supporter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Joe Casino cash: $9994900	I can see this debate is going to get nasty. Take it somewhere else keep it out of Farzin's prayer thread. Farzin, just remember the good times.
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11-17-2008, 08:12 PM	#21
Stanley Nickels [null] Join Date: Sep 2008 Casino cash: $1632893	This thread has potential for a blowup we really don't want. Suicide is selfish. Kids make mistakes. Rationale is subjective, especially when your hormones are going in every direction. To the OP, don't let it keep you down. Use the event as a lesson to notice signs in other friends and family, and interject if you feel it necessary. __________________ Bacon-wrapped shrimp: My first-favorite food wrapped around my third-favorite food. I'd go to a banquet in honor of those Somali pirates if they served bacon-wrapped shrimp.
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11-17-2008, 08:13 PM	#22
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-731038 VARSITY	Suicide is a cowards way out. It also says I don't care how how much pain I cause others I want mine to stop. Who knows what it takes to get to that point? Whats everybody's breaking point? Walk a mile in their shoes before throwing stones etc... But also I don't believe in kicking a man when he's down. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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11-17-2008, 08:18 PM	#24
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1240000	As the OP asks, I will send good thoughts to his friends and family.
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11-17-2008, 08:21 PM	#26
Mr. Flopnuts FINALLY! The wait is over. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Is Now!!! Casino cash: $19947565	I don't think it's fair to judge someone by their "mental toughness". There are a lot of factors that contribute to it that is completely out of our control. We're conditioned as children to act, and react to things differently. What may have seemed simple to many of you could have been beyond unbearable for this young man. And he was a young man. 17. That was the toughest year of my life, and 18 wasn't a whole helluva lot better. It's a shame, it's not like this kid had 30-40 years of experience to base his decision off of.
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11-17-2008, 08:31 PM	#28
BigVE Veteran Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: centralKs Casino cash: $10005250	Sorry for your loss. Sorry that poor kid thought that there was no other answer than this. Sorry for his family and friends. __________________ Meh.
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