Chiefs Jordan Gross may be available - Page 2

bdeg · 01-10-2009, 09:35 AM

According to the National Football Post's Michael Lombardi, Julius Peppers is "nowhere close to a new deal with the Panthers and will undoubtedly be franchised."

The Panthers will have to decide between Peppers or fellow All-Pro Jordan Gross for the franchise tag, which could enable Gross to hit the open market by March. Peppers is seeking a monster contract, and the tag would "not sit very well with him."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...aspx?sport=NFL

At only 28, he could be our solution at RT if he isn't too expensive. We obviously have a lot of money to spend.

What are the chances he's affordable?

Chiefnj2 · 01-10-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

This.

People around here have no concept of the word "future."

Having $30M worth of cap space, then giving huge contracts to guys like Gross and Haynesworth, all but guarantees you will be up against the cap in the future - when you NEED the cap room, because you're hopefully trying to find a final piece of the puzzle or two to make a Championship run.

KC has tons of room to give a huge base salary and not have it affect later years.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-10-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

KC has tons of room to give a huge base salary and not have it affect later years.

And what do FA's want most?

Not base salary.

Guaranteed money. Signing bonuses.

Guys like Gross, Haynesworth, Suggs, etc are going to command $20-$25M in guaranteed money. Which means you have to be SMART in who you sign to those types of deals.

Chiefnj2 · 01-10-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And what do FA's want most?

Not base salary.

Guaranteed money. Signing bonuses.

Guys like Gross, Haynesworth, Suggs, etc are going to command $20-$25M in guaranteed money. Which means you have to be SMART in who you sign to those types of deals.

They want money now. They don't care where it comes from. You could give him a base salary of 20 million his first year.

Mr. Laz · 01-10-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

As good as Gross is, Branden Albert has the potetial to be better.

You can find quality RTs in the 2nd, third, fourth and fifth rounds.

Branden Albert played great last year while learning on the job.

I just don't get why people want to just move him.

It's ****ing stupid.

i never said i wanted to move him, dickweasel

i said ...... "not unless they plan to use Gross at LT and move Albert to RT"

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-10-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They want money now. They don't care where it comes from. You could give him a base salary of 20 million his first year.

Uh, yeah, they do.

Base salary is not guaranteed.

Feel free to bookmark this thread, and when Gross, Suggs or Haynesworth (provided they actually hit the market) doesn't get over $20M in guaranteed money, you can say "I told you so."

Players want GUARANTEED money.

It's the only security they have.

Chiefnj2 · 01-10-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Uh, yeah, they do.

Base salary is not guaranteed.

Feel free to bookmark this thread, and when Gross, Suggs or Haynesworth (provided they actually hit the market) doesn't get over $20M in guaranteed money, you can say "I told you so."

Players want GUARANTEED money.

It's the only security they have.

You can give a player 20 million his first year as base salary guaranteed.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-10-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You can give a player 20 million his first year as base salary guaranteed.

And again, when and if that ever happens, feel free to let me know.

Bottom line, it doesn't.

milkman · 01-10-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

i never said i wanted to move him, dickweasel

i said ...... "not unless they plan to use Gross at LT and move Albert to RT"

No, you didn't dick breath, but it's implied (or is that inferred?).

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Originally Posted by Laz

yep ..... but you usually don't 'fish' at the tackle positions imo

a center and guard you want cheaper system guys

LT - Gross
LG - waters
C - Taylor
RG - Niswanger
RT - Albert

looks like a big upgrade over last year to me and that would allow us to focus on other areas in the immediate future.

patteeu · 01-10-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

yep ..... but you usually don't 'fish' at the tackle positions imo

a center and guard you want cheaper system guys

LT - Gross
LG - waters
C - Taylor
RG - Niswanger
RT - Albert

looks like a big upgrade over last year to me and that would allow us to focus on other areas in the immediate future.

How many teams have 1st round draft picks at both OT positions? Surely not many. Here are the starting OTs for the remaining playoff teams and the round in which they were drafted in parentheses (and the pick number of that round after the decimal point).

David Stewart - Titans RT - (round 4.12)
Michael Roos - Titans LT - (2.09)

Adam Terry - Ravens RT - (2.32)
Jared Gaither - Ravens LT - (Supplemental round 5)

Willie Colon - Steelers RT - (4.34)
Max Starks - Steelers LT - (3.12)

Jerome Clary - Chargers RT - (6.18)
Marcus McNeill - Chargers LT - (2.18)

Kareem McKenzie - Giants RT - (3.17)
David Diehl - Giants LT - (5.25)

Jon Runyan - Eagles RT - (4.14)
William Thomas - Eagles LT - (1.11)

Levi Brown - Cardinals RT - (1.05)
Mike Gandy - Cardinals LT - (3.06)

Jeff Otah - Panthers RT - (1.19)
Jordan Gross - Panthers LT - (1.08)

Disclaimer: I don't know if any of these guys are injury replacements. I got the depth chart information from today's nfl.com depth charts.

Only Carolina has 2 first rounders and since they were both early in their careers they've been relatively cheap so far. Now as the older of the two comes up for his first really big contract, they just might lose him.

Chiefnj2 · 01-10-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And again, when and if that ever happens, feel free to let me know.

Bottom line, it doesn't.

Tait got around 14-16 million when the Bears stole him from KC.

It doesn't happen because most teams want to spread it out for 5 years over the signing bonus. Most teams don't come in 30 mil under the cap. It can be done if need be.

Mr. Laz · 01-10-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, you didn't dick breath, but it's implied (or is that inferred?).

hey ..... if they choose to move albert then my 2nd post is the possible result.

i never implied that would be my choice in fact i said "NOt ..... unless they plan to move albert"

you just wanted to bitch

**the Talking Can** · 01-10-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

How many teams have 1st round draft picks at both OT positions? Surely not many. Here are the starting OTs for the remaining playoff teams and the round in which they were drafted in parentheses (and the pick number of that round after the decimal point).

David Stewart - Titans RT - (round 4.12)
Michael Roos - Titans LT - (2.09)

Adam Terry - Ravens RT - (2.32)
Jared Gaither - Ravens LT - (Supplemental round 5)

Willie Colon - Steelers RT - (4.34)
Max Starks - Steelers LT - (3.12)

Jerome Clary - Chargers RT - (6.18)
Marcus McNeill - Chargers LT - (2.18)

Kareem McKenzie - Giants RT - (3.17)
David Diehl - Giants LT - (5.25)

Jon Runyan - Eagles RT - (4.14)
William Thomas - Eagles LT - (1.11)

Levi Brown - Cardinals RT - (1.05)
Mike Gandy - Cardinals LT - (3.06)

Jeff Otah - Panthers RT - (1.19)
Jordan Gross - Panthers LT - (1.08)

Disclaimer: I don't know if any of these guys are injury replacements. I got the depth chart information from today's nfl.com depth charts.

Only Carolina has 2 first rounders and since they were both early in their careers they've been relatively cheap so far. Now as the older of the two comes up for his first really big contract, they just might lose him.

that should be eye-opening...you just don't burn back to back 1st on OL....good teams find OL everywhere

as an aside, I think the only 1st rounder on the Giants OL is Snee, a guard...he should be remembered by Chiefs fans for whipping Sims so bad in a preseason game (Snee was a rookie that year, 04) that Whitlock wrote about it declaring Sims a hopeless bust...iirc....

* edit - i checked, Snee was the 2nd pick in the 2nd round

chiefsngop · 01-10-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

that should be eye-opening...you just don't burn back to back 1st on OL....good teams find OL everywhere

as an aside, I think the only 1st rounder on the Giants OL is Snee, a guard...he should be remembered by Chiefs fans for whipping Sims so bad in a preseason game (Snee was a rookie that year, 04) that Whitlock wrote about it declaring Sims a hopeless bust...iirc....

* edit - i checked, Snee was the 2nd pick in the 2nd round

I like this post.

We need a right side O-line, no doubt about it.

But I would hate to see the Chiefs start focusing on one position in the draft year after year. We've already lived throught that with the D-line positions.

If the new regime wants to prove their player assessment abilities, find us a solid O-lineman in the 3rd to 5th rounds, it can be done, and has been done.

beach tribe · 01-10-2009, 12:21 PM

I really think we should have picked Gaither in the sup. draft.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-10-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

i never said i wanted to move him, dickweasel

i said ...... "not unless they plan to use Gross at LT and move Albert to RT"

Who from the Chiefs organization has EVER indicated that the Chiefs would move Albert to Left Tackle?

Oh, that's right. NO ONE.

Only dumb****s with too much time on their hands and no understanding of line play.

YOU opened the door to this idiocy and deserve any negative remarks that come your way.

01-10-2009, 09:35 AM
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Jordan Gross may be available According to the National Football Post's Michael Lombardi, Julius Peppers is "nowhere close to a new deal with the Panthers and will undoubtedly be franchised." The Panthers will have to decide between Peppers or fellow All-Pro Jordan Gross for the franchise tag, which could enable Gross to hit the open market by March. Peppers is seeking a monster contract, and the tag would "not sit very well with him." http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...aspx?sport=NFL At only 28, he could be our solution at RT if he isn't too expensive. We obviously have a lot of money to spend. What are the chances he's affordable?
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