Chiefs Crabtree SHOULD be the pick now! - Page 2

NIUhuskies · 02-28-2009, 06:56 PM

Now that we have a young franschise QB, if we can team him up with Crabtree and Bowe, we could be a VERY dangerous offense! Haley had Warner, Boldin and Fitzgerald in Zona, this could be the KC version, and they are ALL young!

**notorious** · 02-28-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Crabtree isn't Fitzgerald, or Boldin...or hell, even Bowe....

Every receiver you listed came from a pro-style college offense that didn't use the spread to get huge number for their WR's. Crabtree is not worth the #3.

At #3 the WR better become Cris Carter, TO, Sterling Sharpe, or Randy Moss in their prime.

Mecca · 02-28-2009, 07:10 PM

I'd rather have Heyward-Bey than Crabtree.

**notorious** · 02-28-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You guys......Crabtree is a slow average sized WR from the spread with a broken foot...

If they're hell bent on running the 3-4 plus the history of where the Pats used a ton of 1st round picks don't be surprised if Raji is the target.

I was afraid of this. Good-bye to our 1st pick last year.......

BradyFTW! · 02-28-2009, 07:12 PM

In New England, Pioli's mindset was to draft the best talent available for the system, and worry about everything else next. What that means is that a lot of times you'll see:

A) A player that you think fits a need that he might pass on to get better talent. It'll be frustrating at the time, but the idea is that there's so much turnover that it all works out. You build the foundation with the draft, and fill in the gaps with FA, not vice versa.

B) A lot of times analysts will freak out that he 'reached' for a guy who they don't think has talent to justify the draft position. Everyone claimed this about Mayo last year, and he only ended up winning DROY. That's basically because Pioli doesn't give a shit where the journalists and Mel Kipers of the world rate someone- he's basing everything on a system-specific criteria that may not have a whole lot in common with what others are using.

Come draft time, I'm sure a bunch of people are going to freak out for both of these reasons. You'll see a lot of "He reached for Soandso!" and "But soandso could have filled a need, but he took someone else at another position that we don't need!" posts. Just ignore that crap, the guy knows what he's doing.

The best part is that, down the line, you'll get to look back at ridiculous quotes like this and laugh:

"On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sacks last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon.

- Ron Borges, MSNBC after 2001 Draft."

Mecca · 02-28-2009, 07:14 PM

Well Ron Borges is reeruned.

BradyFTW! · 02-28-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NIUhuskies

first off, i was making reference of the Cardinal offense that Haley ran, 2 great receivers and a great QB. Obviously Cassell, Bowe and Crabtree arent at their level yet, but they are young, and sure as hell have potential to grow and be VERY good in this league

It's also worth noting that Fitzgerald and Boldin both disappointed in the 40 at the combine (4.53 and 4.7). Neither is known for having top-end speed, but being a good WR is about a lot more than 40 times. Crabtree and Bowe are both really good receivers, 40 times be damned. Not saying that that means that they'll draft Crabtree, but it's not really a reason not to.

eazyb81 · 02-28-2009, 07:14 PM

Pioli is not going to take a slow, short WR at the #3 pick in his first draft.

I have no doubt we will take a defensive player now to fill in a position of weakness on the 3-4, whether that is on the D-line or a LB role.

BradyFTW! · 02-28-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well Ron Borges is reeruned.

Most sports journalists are, that's the point.

MTG#10 · 02-28-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You guys......Crabtree is a slow average sized WR from the spread with a broken foot...

If they're hell bent on running the 3-4 plus the history of where the Pats used a ton of 1st round picks don't be surprised if Raji is the target.

I could live with that. But what do we do with Dorsey? Trade him? Try him out at DE?

unlurking · 02-28-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

In New England, Pioli's mindset was to draft the best talent available for the system, and worry about everything else next. What that means is that a lot of times you'll see:

A) A player that you think fits a need that he might pass on to get better talent. It'll be frustrating at the time, but the idea is that there's so much turnover that it all works out. You build the foundation with the draft, and fill in the gaps with FA, not vice versa.

B) A lot of times analysts will freak out that he 'reached' for a guy who they don't think has talent to justify the draft position. Everyone claimed this about Mayo last year, and he only ended up winning DROY. That's basically because Pioli doesn't give a shit where the journalists and Mel Kipers of the world rate someone- he's basing everything on a system-specific criteria that may not have a whole lot in common with what others are using.

Come draft time, I'm sure a bunch of people are going to freak out for both of these reasons. You'll see a lot of "He reached for Soandso!" and "But soandso could have filled a need, but he took someone else at another position that we don't need!" posts. Just ignore that crap, the guy knows what he's doing.

The best part is that, down the line, you'll get to look back at ridiculous quotes like this and laugh:

"On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sacks last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon.

- Ron Borges, MSNBC after 2001 Draft."

EDIT:

@ the Borges quote. Liked your take on Pioli's draft strategy.

Mecca · 02-28-2009, 07:16 PM

I don't see us going WR or LB look at the Patriots they never used high picks on those positions till recently....

DL however..plus if they're going 3-4 we got no one to play nose.

Mecca · 02-28-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

I could live with that. But what do we do with Dorsey? Trade him? Try him out at DE?

If they're playing 3-4 Dorsey can't play over nose and is pretty much a non factor.

eazyb81 · 02-28-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't see us going WR or LB look at the Patriots they never used high picks on those positions till recently....

DL however..plus if they're going 3-4 we got no one to play nose.

Tyler is a possibility. Who knows what Pioli thinks of him.

BradyFTW! · 02-28-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

I was afraid of this. Good-bye to our 1st pick last year.......

I obviously haven't watched Dorsey as much as you guys have, but from what I have seen and read in scouting reports, I don't see why he couldn't be a pretty effective 1-gap DE in a 3-4.

eazyb81 · 02-28-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

I obviously haven't watched Dorsey as much as you guys have, but from what I have seen and read in scouting reports, I don't see why he couldn't be a pretty effective 1-gap DE in a 3-4.

Don't the Pats run a Fairbanks-Bullough version of the 3-4? That is a 2 gap system.

02-28-2009, 06:56 PM
NIUhuskies Veteran Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Casino cash: $8395050	Crabtree SHOULD be the pick now! Now that we have a young franschise QB, if we can team him up with Crabtree and Bowe, we could be a VERY dangerous offense! Haley had Warner, Boldin and Fitzgerald in Zona, this could be the KC version, and they are ALL young!
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02-28-2009, 07:10 PM	#17
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2227050	I'd rather have Heyward-Bey than Crabtree.
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02-28-2009, 07:12 PM	#19
BradyFTW! Starter Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	In New England, Pioli's mindset was to draft the best talent available for the system, and worry about everything else next. What that means is that a lot of times you'll see: A) A player that you think fits a need that he might pass on to get better talent. It'll be frustrating at the time, but the idea is that there's so much turnover that it all works out. You build the foundation with the draft, and fill in the gaps with FA, not vice versa. B) A lot of times analysts will freak out that he 'reached' for a guy who they don't think has talent to justify the draft position. Everyone claimed this about Mayo last year, and he only ended up winning DROY. That's basically because Pioli doesn't give a shit where the journalists and Mel Kipers of the world rate someone- he's basing everything on a system-specific criteria that may not have a whole lot in common with what others are using. Come draft time, I'm sure a bunch of people are going to freak out for both of these reasons. You'll see a lot of "He reached for Soandso!" and "But soandso could have filled a need, but he took someone else at another position that we don't need!" posts. Just ignore that crap, the guy knows what he's doing. The best part is that, down the line, you'll get to look back at ridiculous quotes like this and laugh: "On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sacks last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon. - Ron Borges, MSNBC after 2001 Draft."
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02-28-2009, 07:14 PM	#20
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2227050	Well Ron Borges is reeruned.
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eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $10004900	Pioli is not going to take a slow, short WR at the #3 pick in his first draft. I have no doubt we will take a defensive player now to fill in a position of weakness on the 3-4, whether that is on the D-line or a LB role.
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02-28-2009, 07:16 PM	#26
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2227050	I don't see us going WR or LB look at the Patriots they never used high picks on those positions till recently.... DL however..plus if they're going 3-4 we got no one to play nose.
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