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Old 09-22-2010, 12:41 PM  
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Fixing The Passing Game
Obviously, we have issues in this area. Our quarterback is a sluggish dolt with no talent and a giant chin. Our receivers are (by many accounts) unable to separate from their respective defenders. Our play caller seems to be intent on perfecting the 4 yard incompletion. And, apparently, hitting McCluster in the flat is a play designed to make McCluster flat.

So, how do we fix the problem? Cassel isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so replacing the quarterback seems to be out of the question, our TE is going to find himself triple covered in upcoming games, and we don't have Sippio anymore.

I know that ChiefsPlanet can do this ... what is necessary to get a damn passing game established?

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Old 09-22-2010, 12:59 PM   #16
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Okay ... how about this?

How about we start running a couple of screens? That will, at least, help stretch the defense sideline to sideline and bring up a safety or two. Surely Cassel can throw a screen pass.

Or maybe we start running some picks with multiple crossing routes withing Cassel's range ... say 7 yards downfield and pray for YAC?

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Maybe. One other thing I noticed was that Cassel actually looked OK with the play action fakes the other day.
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Old 09-22-2010, 01:01 PM   #17
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Old 09-22-2010, 01:02 PM   #18
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Jump balls to Bowe is a good idea, too. Thanks, Mr. Pestilence.

Try and match him up with the teeniest tinyest corner and lob the friggin' thing up so he can make a play. Surely, Cassel can lob the friggin' thing up.

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Old 09-22-2010, 01:03 PM   #19
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How about the lord and savior Brodie Croyle?

His 0-9 track record speaks for itself...
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How about the lord and savior Brodie Croyle?

His 0-9 track record speaks for itself...
I shall not be baited into another powerful and compelling defense of Croyle, thank you very much.

Suffice it to say that Herm could flustrate anyone's career.

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I shall not be baited into another powerful and compelling defense of Croyle, thank you very much.
Suffice it to say that Herm could flustrate anyone's career.

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McCluster as the slot, with the inside slant. Not many yards per throw, but YAC would make up for it.
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When you have a QB that can't throw deep or intermediate routes, you have to rely on short passes. Unfortunately, when you do this, it causes the defense to cheat up, thus negating his only non-horrible area of accuracy.

You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you run more, you'll just see 8 and 9 man fronts, making it nigh impossible to run. If you try PA, the QB isn't accurate enough to connect, thus meaning you'll still face those same fronts.

We lack the deep threat to cause the safeties to hang back, and even if we had one, said QB still couldn't hit him (see: Moss, Randy).

The defense doesn't have to blitz to get pressure, so the screen game isn't going to be particularly dominating, especially with so many defenders close to the LOS.

You can't fix the passing game unless you get a QB who can stretch the field vertically with the intermediate and deep ball, and we don't have an OL that is so overpowering that it can work against a 9 man front, nor should we really concern ourselves with getting one, as it would be far better to simply invest in a QB worth a damn.
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When you have a QB that can't throw deep or intermediate routes, you have to rely on short passes. Unfortunately, when you do this, it causes the defense to cheat up, thus negating his only non-horrible area of accuracy.

You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you run more, you'll just see 8 and 9 man fronts, making it nigh impossible to run. If you try PA, the QB isn't accurate enough to connect, thus meaning you'll still face those same fronts.

We lack the deep threat to cause the safeties to hang back, and even if we had one, said QB still couldn't hit him (see: Moss, Randy).

The defense doesn't have to blitz to get pressure, so the screen game isn't going to be particularly dominating, especially with so many defenders close to the LOS.

You can't fix the passing game unless you get a QB who can stretch the field vertically with the intermediate and deep ball, and we don't have an OL that is so overpowering that it can work against a 9 man front, nor should we really concern ourselves with getting one, as it would be far better to simply invest in a QB worth a damn.
You know, I agree with you 100%, But we also dont have WR's that can stretch the field, catch the ball or get seperation downfield.

So Cassel blows for sure and the shit we trott out there at WR is just as putrid...
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and the shit we trott out there at WR is just as putrid...
No, it's not.

People were, of course, overrating Chambers when he was playing for a contract last year, but Bowe is a very good receiver. If Damon Huard could get him the ball consistently, there is no reason why the 63 million dollar man shouldn't be able to.

There's no doubt that our receivers are not the same without Gonzalez, who is one of the greatest mismatches in NFL history, but Bowe is a YAC monster, and the C, in this case, is contact. We simply do not target him enough because our QB doesn't understand what open is in the NFL.

Someone was relaying a story about Peyton Manning in his rookie year. He said to Archie, "Dad, no one is open."

Cassel seems to think that you have to be High School open to get the ball. He has to commit to putting it in tight windows. However, given his accuracy, this is a dangerous proposition.
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So Cassel blows for sure and the shit we trott out there at WR is just as putrid...
No, it's average.

Not poor, not probowl, just meh.

Look at Bowe's numbers with Thigpen, Croyle, and Casshole.

His first two years he averaged 1,000 yards a season.

Last year he had 589 and almost 1/2 as many receptions as his first two years.

His first two years under a reerun and rookie HC, b/u at best QB's, and a horrid offensive line.

Yet his worst season was when Casshole took over...
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I was told this draft was about getting Cassel playmakers.

I don't want to hear the bull shit excuse that he doesn't have options.
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