Chiefs Let's face facts: we're going to have to bonus-up on Matt Cassel. - Page 2

Direckshun · 11-11-2010, 07:41 PM

There's been a few conversations this season that keep asking the question "if we don't drop Cassel to get out of the bonus he's due..."

I mean, just stop. Cassel will survive the offseason and will likely be our starter next year.

Even if Pioli and Haley understood what we all know to be true, which is that Cassel is not that answer and is not a franchise QB, than acquiring one is damn near impossible.

Who would be available this offseason? A few stopgaps, none of them franchise guys. (A thread will no doubt be started about McNabb, but he's not a Pioli guy.) And we'll be too busy looking for a backup QB anyway when we let Croyle go -- and we don't even have a third stringer to fall back on.

The #1 opportunity we have at a franchise QB is to reach for a second-round quality guy with high character with our mid-to-late pick in the first round to ensure we don't get leapfrogged.

Christian Ponder (Florida State)
Nick Foles (Arizona)
Nathan Enderle (Idaho)

Somebody like that is the only chance this team has at a young, franchise guy, and that is the only way we are acquiring him.

And there's the catch -- even if we acquire a guy like that, we still need Cassel because rookie QBs almost never start from the first game. Cassel can be a valuable backup, and a stopgap while the rookie takes his time to get the system down. Cassel, in the mean time, will never be a drag in the locker room, so Haley and Pioli will hang on to him for the versatility he provides to their QB decisions.

Even if the stud does start right away, and Cassel really does get the shaft from Day One of the 2011 season, he is a guy who will always do what he's asked and will do it the best he can, which the staff obviously values above all else. And as fans, we should value that as well.

Like or dislike Cassel, he's got an arrowhead on the side of his helmet for a few more years. In what capacity, we don't know.

Direckshun · 11-11-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think anyone would call either McCluster or Arenas reaches at this juncture. As long as McCluster stays healthy, that is.

Both picks were reaches. But this is besides the point.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-11-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Cassel has a role on this team as a backup.

In any Super Bowl season, you're going to need a guy like him who's a good presense in the locker room and will give you a couple solid starts when your guy gets hurt.

This team could really use Cassel in some capacity. Which is why they're not going to lose him.

I have a real hard time believing he'd be a positve presence backing up anyone after he's been the starter here for 3 years.

**dirk digler** · 11-11-2010, 08:20 PM

They will either cut him or restructure him. I don't see any way they pay that roster bonus

Direckshun · 11-11-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I have a real hard time believing he'd be a positve presence backing up anyone after he's been the starter here for 3 years.

You underestimate his character.

It's top ****ing notch. He's a boy scout.

**tyler360** · 11-11-2010, 08:33 PM

I would just like to see the organization get someone with talent in here to groom while castle continues his suck parade. Give us a glimmer of hope

KCBOSS1 · 11-11-2010, 08:47 PM

We draft Mallet, drop Cassel, start Croyle, he gets hurt and we begin the Mallet Legacy. Just throwing it out there.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-11-2010, 08:49 PM

I would love to draft Mallet.

Direckshun · 11-11-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

We draft Mallet, drop Cassel, start Croyle, he gets hurt and we begin the Mallet Legacy. Just throwing it out there.

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I would love to draft Mallet.

Pioli won't touch Mallet. Character concerns.

KCBOSS1 · 11-11-2010, 09:06 PM

Character concerns? He's too firey? Too much of a leader? Too much talent? Truth is, He will never get past Dallas. Jerry Jones will be done with Romo this year. He will do whatever he has to do to get to Mallet. But are there character concerns that I don't know about?

Direckshun · 11-11-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

Character concerns? He's too firey? Too much of a leader? Too much talent? Truth is, He will never get past Dallas. Jerry Jones will be done with Romo this year. He will do whatever he has to do to get to Mallet. But are there character concerns that I don't know about?

There are rumors that some DUI stuff is going to surface soon.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-11-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

Character concerns? He's too firey? Too much of a leader? Too much talent? Truth is, He will never get past Dallas. Jerry Jones will be done with Romo this year. He will do whatever he has to do to get to Mallet. But are there character concerns that I don't know about?

Nothing public yet. But Walter Football had this quote: "Now I’m not in the habit of spreading rumors so I won’t go into specifics at this time. However, let’s just say that Mallett’s character will undoubtedly be closely scrutinized by teams throughout the vetting process." Unfounded rumors are questioning whether it's drugs.

I don't understand the obsession with the guy. The guy's got a big arm. That's about it. You can't ignore character at this position. You need a guy with talent, but character is what's going to bring him to greatness.

salame · 11-11-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I guarantee he doesn't get that bonus. What worries me is that they restructure. I don't really care--as long as we draft a QBOTF in round 1. All that matters to me.

As for stopgaps, a few that come to mind: Donovan McNabb, Shaun Hill, Kyle Orton. I am still on the bandwagon to trade for Kevin Kolb--I feel like we can get him for a 2nd. I think Kolb would be awesome in this offense.

Kolb is ****ing awful man

salame · 11-11-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

There are rumors that some DUI stuff is going to surface soon.

it's been rumored to surface soon since august

Mecca · 11-11-2010, 09:29 PM

Ok saying Kolb is awful is a little much.

salame · 11-11-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok saying Kolb is awful is a little much.

He isn't any better than Cassel
nice of you to troll on through btw

11-11-2010, 07:41 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3593447	Let's face facts: we're going to have to bonus-up on Matt Cassel. There's been a few conversations this season that keep asking the question "if we don't drop Cassel to get out of the bonus he's due..." I mean, just stop. Cassel will survive the offseason and will likely be our starter next year. Even if Pioli and Haley understood what we all know to be true, which is that Cassel is not that answer and is not a franchise QB, than acquiring one is damn near impossible. Who would be available this offseason? A few stopgaps, none of them franchise guys. (A thread will no doubt be started about McNabb, but he's not a Pioli guy.) And we'll be too busy looking for a backup QB anyway when we let Croyle go -- and we don't even have a third stringer to fall back on. The #1 opportunity we have at a franchise QB is to reach for a second-round quality guy with high character with our mid-to-late pick in the first round to ensure we don't get leapfrogged. Christian Ponder (Florida State) Nick Foles (Arizona) Nathan Enderle (Idaho) Somebody like that is the only chance this team has at a young, franchise guy, and that is the only way we are acquiring him. And there's the catch -- even if we acquire a guy like that, we still need Cassel because rookie QBs almost never start from the first game. Cassel can be a valuable backup, and a stopgap while the rookie takes his time to get the system down. Cassel, in the mean time, will never be a drag in the locker room, so Haley and Pioli will hang on to him for the versatility he provides to their QB decisions. Even if the stud does start right away, and Cassel really does get the shaft from Day One of the 2011 season, he is a guy who will always do what he's asked and will do it the best he can, which the staff obviously values above all else. And as fans, we should value that as well. Like or dislike Cassel, he's got an arrowhead on the side of his helmet for a few more years. In what capacity, we don't know.
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KCBOSS1 RAISE EM RIGHT Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10005366	We draft Mallet, drop Cassel, start Croyle, he gets hurt and we begin the Mallet Legacy. Just throwing it out there.
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The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9313645	I would love to draft Mallet. __________________
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KCBOSS1 RAISE EM RIGHT Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10005366	Character concerns? He's too firey? Too much of a leader? Too much talent? Truth is, He will never get past Dallas. Jerry Jones will be done with Romo this year. He will do whatever he has to do to get to Mallet. But are there character concerns that I don't know about?
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $1247050	Ok saying Kolb is awful is a little much.
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