Chiefs What are your qualifying factors for QB excellence? - Page 2

Chris Meck · 12-02-2010, 11:34 AM

No, not yours. You're not in any kind of shape to be throwing deep outs.

What is it that YOU want to SEE from a QB that indicates excellence?

Personally, I've been pretty anti-Cassel until the last month or so, but I'm seeing signs of marked improvement. All the discussion about Matt's play and Peyton/Brady this and that made me curious as to what everyone's real markers are. Here are mine-

Statistically:
60% completion rate
2 to 1 or better TD/INT ratio
YPA (yards per attempt) needs to be in the mid 7.0's or better. (i.e. 7.5+)

Mentally:
I want to see good decisions. Not throwing into triple coverage.
Fast reads, decisiveness
Defensive recognition. directs traffic, audibles, is aware of pressure off the edge. shows pocket awareness.

Physically:
HITS RECEIVERS IN STRIDE. Must be accurate.
Can make all the throws you need to make in a game. I don't care if he can throw it 70 yards from his knee. Can he throw a deep out with a pass rusher in his face?
Can buy time in or out of the pocket, and can throw on the run.

Intangibles:
No quitters allowed. Must show heart.
should have obvious leadership qualities; team should rally around him.

I guess that's my list, off the top of my head. What's yours?

WebGem · 12-02-2010, 12:17 PM

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WebGem · 12-02-2010, 12:18 PM

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Chiefnj2 · 12-02-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

The only QB's I've seen have (most) all these qualities are Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger. Brady and Manning are pretty stiff but get away with it due their quick brains allowing them to get the ball out earlier than most. .

The fact that the top 4 guys are so different is what makes it interesting, and tough to predict QB success. Even Brees' and Rothlisberger's ability to make plays out of the pocket are completely different. Brees avoids contact. Ben's size enables him to break free from people grabbing at him and he can throw well while being hit.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-02-2010, 12:22 PM

60% is good, but I'd prefer that number to be around 66.

Bewbies · 12-02-2010, 12:27 PM

Remember when Trent Green was our QB and late in the 4th when we needed a score you KNEW we were gonna get it?

That.

My biggest issue with Cassel has been that when we needed a score, or a first down, you hoped he might not choke. That's a big difference.

Coogs · 12-02-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

Remember when Trent Green was our QB and late in the 4th when we needed a score you KNEW we were gonna get it?

That is the one part of Greens game that I felt was missing. Regardless of how bad the defense was, when we absolutely needed the offense to score, we usually came up short... even if the offense had already put up 35 points.

That is what I hope Cassel can do. Put the ball in a real tight space when the time on the clock absolutely demands it. That remains to be seen, but he is taking strides towards being able to do that.

Chief DJBrad · 12-02-2010, 12:43 PM

4th quarter comebacks,winning,no injuries and ball on target.My biggest gripe with Cassel is over throwing a WIDE OPEN receiver.I like him but he has to make those throws and passes in stride.The next two games will tell us all we need to know!

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-02-2010, 01:04 PM

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Running downfield to trow blox

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jbwm89 · 12-02-2010, 01:31 PM

My only qualification is that he can lead block half as well as Trent Green. Cassel has also showed improvement in this area.

Hootie · 12-02-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

60% is good, but I'd prefer that number to be around 66.

and to be done with one eye closed without any offensive lineman or backs and to be throwing to two receivers with no arms

**DeezNutz** · 12-02-2010, 01:46 PM

All about the "it." When the moments are the biggest and most pressure-filled, can he elevate his game and get the job done?

Hootie · 12-02-2010, 01:47 PM

like Tom Brady...leading his team against prevent defenses in Super Bowls on 20 yard drives so Vinatieri could nail 3 45+ yard field goals...

that's clutch!

**loochy** · 12-02-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

like Tom Brady...leading his team against prevent defenses in Super Bowls on 20 yard drives so Vinatieri could nail 3 45+ yard field goals...

that's clutch!

Don't forget the consistent checkdown passes that are considered brilliant when he does them.

WilliamTheIrish · 12-02-2010, 01:50 PM

With the game on the line, does he the guile to look off a Safety to draw him away from the middle, and the ability to deliver that ball into the seam? Especially with pressure?

IMO, Matt Cassel doesn't throw that route/ball well at all. It's more of a paper airplane floater that makes every fan crack his/her knuckles or hold his/her breath while that particular throw is in the air.

**loochy** · 12-02-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

With the game on the line, does he the guile to look off a Safety to draw him away from the middle, and the ability to deliver that ball into the seam? Especially with pressure?

IMO, Matt Cassel doesn't throw that route/ball well at all. It's more of a paper airplane floater that makes every fan crack his/her knuckles or hold his/her breath while that particular throw is in the air.

The last few games he's really been whipping it in there though.

12-02-2010, 11:34 AM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1315090	What are your qualifying factors for QB excellence? No, not yours. You're not in any kind of shape to be throwing deep outs. What is it that YOU want to SEE from a QB that indicates excellence? Personally, I've been pretty anti-Cassel until the last month or so, but I'm seeing signs of marked improvement. All the discussion about Matt's play and Peyton/Brady this and that made me curious as to what everyone's real markers are. Here are mine- Statistically: 60% completion rate 2 to 1 or better TD/INT ratio YPA (yards per attempt) needs to be in the mid 7.0's or better. (i.e. 7.5+) Mentally: I want to see good decisions. Not throwing into triple coverage. Fast reads, decisiveness Defensive recognition. directs traffic, audibles, is aware of pressure off the edge. shows pocket awareness. Physically: HITS RECEIVERS IN STRIDE. Must be accurate. Can make all the throws you need to make in a game. I don't care if he can throw it 70 yards from his knee. Can he throw a deep out with a pass rusher in his face? Can buy time in or out of the pocket, and can throw on the run. Intangibles: No quitters allowed. Must show heart. should have obvious leadership qualities; team should rally around him. I guess that's my list, off the top of my head. What's yours?
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Bewbies Ith Fuhtbawl Time Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $9999900	Remember when Trent Green was our QB and late in the 4th when we needed a score you KNEW we were gonna get it? That. My biggest issue with Cassel has been that when we needed a score, or a first down, you hoped he might not choke. That's a big difference.
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Chief DJBrad Rookie Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: springfield illinois Casino cash: $10004900	4th quarter comebacks,winning,no injuries and ball on target.My biggest gripe with Cassel is over throwing a WIDE OPEN receiver.I like him but he has to make those throws and passes in stride.The next two games will tell us all we need to know!
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jbwm89 MIZZOU Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Saint Joseph Casino cash: $10005040	My only qualification is that he can lead block half as well as Trent Green. Cassel has also showed improvement in this area.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	like Tom Brady...leading his team against prevent defenses in Super Bowls on 20 yard drives so Vinatieri could nail 3 45+ yard field goals... that's clutch!
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WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $2600607	With the game on the line, does he the guile to look off a Safety to draw him away from the middle, and the ability to deliver that ball into the seam? Especially with pressure? IMO, Matt Cassel doesn't throw that route/ball well at all. It's more of a paper airplane floater that makes every fan crack his/her knuckles or hold his/her breath while that particular throw is in the air.
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