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Old 12-02-2010, 10:34 AM  
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What are your qualifying factors for QB excellence?

No, not yours. You're not in any kind of shape to be throwing deep outs.

What is it that YOU want to SEE from a QB that indicates excellence?

Personally, I've been pretty anti-Cassel until the last month or so, but I'm seeing signs of marked improvement. All the discussion about Matt's play and Peyton/Brady this and that made me curious as to what everyone's real markers are. Here are mine-

Statistically:
60% completion rate
2 to 1 or better TD/INT ratio
YPA (yards per attempt) needs to be in the mid 7.0's or better. (i.e. 7.5+)

Mentally:
I want to see good decisions. Not throwing into triple coverage.
Fast reads, decisiveness
Defensive recognition. directs traffic, audibles, is aware of pressure off the edge. shows pocket awareness.

Physically:
HITS RECEIVERS IN STRIDE. Must be accurate.
Can make all the throws you need to make in a game. I don't care if he can throw it 70 yards from his knee. Can he throw a deep out with a pass rusher in his face?
Can buy time in or out of the pocket, and can throw on the run.

Intangibles:
No quitters allowed. Must show heart.
should have obvious leadership qualities; team should rally around him.


I guess that's my list, off the top of my head. What's yours?
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:35 AM   #2
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:35 AM   #3
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:35 AM   #4
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:43 AM   #5
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Fast reads
Multiple reads
Strong arm
Ability to recognize defenses and audible
Pocket presence and ability to evade rush without scrambling
Good runner when opportunity presents itself
Respected team leader (or even feared team leader, but respected is better)
Recognizes game situations re: spiking, time outs, throwing checkdowns, etc.
Accurate, hits receivers in numbers and in stride
Good with passing speed, i.e., doesn't throw 100 mph ball at a guy 5 yards away
Good lead blocker when needed (that's for Trent and now for Matt)
Improves in pressure situations (or at least doesn't panic)


All of those = Hall of Fame. Most of those = good QB.
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:49 AM   #6
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Throw out the stats. Those are only as good as the receivers on the other end. Combine OL's ability to give him time + run game effectiveness, etc.

I measure a QB by body parts. He of course has to have a strong, accurate arm. He also has to have good eyes to see holes 40 yds away. His legs need to be agile enough to move him around in the pocket to get more time. But ahead of all that is his brain. It has to be able to decipher defenses, remember all his plays and hot reads. But it also needs to work at a speed above the defense. Of course, there's instinct that reigns over everything.

The only QB's I've seen have (most) all these qualities are Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger. Brady and Manning are pretty stiff but get away with it due their quick brains allowing them to get the ball out earlier than most. That SB between Ben and Warner was classic. They both took sacks but nobody slides around better in the pocket than Ben. BTW, I've seen some of these talents in Sanchez and McCoy.

I think Matt is getting close but he needs to work on his pocket movement. I think some of it goes back to the eyes. Peripheral vision is key.
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