Cassel post Haley\Muir...if he could improve on one thing..

[petegz28]

ok so it sounds like Cassel is going to be the man next season. Yes, we all know CP says he sucks at life and isn't the answer. having said that he is going to be our QB it seems whether we like it or not.

I am not sold that our offense had to be so conservative because of Cassel. I think Haley had a lot to do with that. In hindsight I think we are going to see a lot of Haley's fail in comparison to a new coaching staff. Yes, Haley did some good things, I don't want to take that away from him. But I think the fact that he couldn't keep an OC on staff puts his thumbprint on this ridiculous offensive scheme we have seen for 3 years. Plus our O-line has been shit for 3 years as well. Pioli sounds like he finally realizes that fact so I expect to see more talent on that side of the ball next season.

That being said, if you could pick one area for Cassel to improve, (Lord knows there are plenty) what would it be?

Personally I think if he improved on his progressions he would eliminate a lot of the suck.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Explain more, please

****. I'mon my phone, but here goes. He absolutely crumbles at the first sign of pressure. You can see fear in his eyes. It affects his decision making, it's the biggest reason he locks onto receivers IMO, and it makes him panic ato the point it already hurts his poor accuracy. He's simply afraid of getting hit, and I don't think an all world line could fix it.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Morph into Joe Montana. Hell even if he's just pretending he's Joe Montana. Hell I'd even settle for Eli Manning.

[BossChief]

Making decisions quicker.

He is too scared to do this, though.

He often times makes the correct decision, but not on time.

He needs to learn to get the ball out and stop worrying about making mistakes so much.

[O.city]

Stanzi was a 5th round draft pick and I think he has better qb skills than Cassel. Save for the experience.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

****. I'mon my phone, but here goes. He absolutely crumbles at the first sign of pressure. You can see fear in his eyes. It affects his decision making, it's the biggest reason he locks onto receivers IMO, and it makes him panic ato the point it already hurts his poor accuracy. He's simply afraid of getting hit, and I don't think an all world line could fix it.

Fair enough though I do think some of that has to do with the o-line and offensive play calling. I mean the Dude has had some of the worst O-line play we have seen.

[O.city]

He's not good from the pocket. He never has been, hell NE had to morph into basically a different offensive system to allow him to play. They had to basically go to a one read offense. And he still lead the league in sacks.

[O.city]

How do you explain the fact that when Orton came in the last three games, the offensive line gave up what 1 sack?

Against Clay Matthews, The Raiders dline, and Dumerville and Miller.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

How do you explain the fact that when Orton came in the last three games, the offensive line gave up what 1 sack?

Against Clay Matthews, The Raiders dline, and Dumerville and Miller.

Better play calling between the 20's. A lot mroe play action I thought. I do agree Cassel hold the ball too long

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Fair enough though I do think some of that has to do with the o-line and offensive play calling. I mean the Dude has had some of the worst O-line play we have seen.

not even close. We'vehad worse O-line play. But not only that, while I cocede play calling has been an issue, we're talking Cassel. And I can think of two dozen plays roughly off the top of my head where he's missed WIDE open receivers to take an ill advised checkdown. I know I'm not the only one.

[Rasputin]

I'd like him to practice at getting better & here is a way that may work out for the better of the good for every one involved.

Blind fold him, turn him around 10 times, line him up, and have him run strait into an aids forest.

If he comes out on the other side then he past a test.

Turn him around again and this time set the forest on fire and have him run through it again.

Makes it through again then his skill set is better than we assume.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

not even close. We'vehad worse O-line play. But not only that, while I cocede play calling has been an issue, we're talking Cassel. And I can think of two dozen plays roughly off the top of my head where he's missed WIDE open receivers to take an ill advised checkdown. I know I'm not the only one.

Oh I agree. But as I said I am not convinced that's all him. Could be. But I think Haley could very well have dictated that as well in a concern to play conservative and not chance a turnover. We won't know that for sure until next season, of course but that's my hope anyway.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

He's not good from the pocket. He never has been, hell NE had to morph into basically a different offensive system to allow him to play. They had to basically go to a one read offense. And he still lead the league in sacks.

That's not entirely accurate.

They ran their offense out of the shotgun and spread teams out more.

He was actually coached to take sacks.

It was a device being used to try to help him continue to go through his progressions. When it stopped working around mid season, they started telling him to just throw it away after his second read because they had basically given up on trying to get him to do more than that.

That's why Moss, Wekler and his backs had the lions share of his yards.

If you are in a 2 read and dump offense and those guys are Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Kevin Faulk...you can be perceived as pretty good when you really aren't forced to look for anybody else.

Lipstick meet pig.

Here we are, 3 years later and he hasn't gotten any better.

I don't even care if he starts the year as the starter, but if he is still in that capacity by game 5 or 6, this team can drink antifreeze till he is gone.

[milkman]

The bottom line is that the O-Line needs improvements, but they are not as bad as Cassel makes them look.

They can be described as adequate.

Matt Cassel can not.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Oh I agree. But as I said I am not convinced that's all him. Could be. But I think Haley could very well have dictated that as well in a concern to play conservative and not chance a turnover. We won't know that for sure until next season, of course but that's my hope anyway.

that's a stretch, but hey, what's life without hope? I won't fault you for that.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by milkman

The bottom line is that the O-Line needs improvements, but they are not as bad as Cassel makes them look.

They can be described as adequate.

Matt Cassel can not.

Adequate? Hardly. Our O-line suckes ass. We couldn't pick up short yardage to save our lives.