Pioli drafts for need.

[Chiefnj2]

I think a lot of people who evaluated Poe confused "poor motor" with "got his ass kicked". Poe gave an effort, he just wasn't effective.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I think a lot of people who evaluated Poe confused "poor motor" with "got his ass kicked". Poe gave an effort, he just wasn't effective.

Poe was in way too many snaps for a man his size, had no help around him and was asked to roam around on the line. The physical talent is there, it needs to be honed. Honed a lot.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Poe was in way too many snaps for a man his size, had no help around him and was asked to roam around on the line. The physical talent is there, it needs to be honed. Honed a lot.

He was in for too many snaps no doubt. The problem is that he wasn't dominant in the first quarter when he wasn't gassed.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He was in for too many snaps no doubt. The problem is that he wasn't dominant in the first quarter when he wasn't gassed.

Too many snaps wasn't the only issue why he didn't succeed. Don't be a Patteau and only pay attention to one part of the argument.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Too many snaps wasn't the only issue why he didn't succeed. Don't be a Patteau and only pay attention to one part of the argument.

Don't rationalize his collegiate play just because KC drafted him. He wasn't that good of a college player, especially for someone with his natural ability. Pioli drafted a workout warrior.

[Direckshun]

And I will say this, OTW.

We've had this debate a couple years ago when you were the Chiefs GM in the CP Mock draft.

You have to reach for franchise nose tackles, just like you have to reach for franchise quarterbacks. Other wise you end up with midround guys at "great value" instead of high round talent at iffy value (to be generous...).

Poe was a legit 2nd round prospect that we ended up taking way too high in the same vein that Miami did the same thing with Tannehill.

But the position is so important with so few prospects who truly look like they are able to fulfill the role, that you almost have to take the "if you don't have a franchise nose, you take one" motto that we've used for quarterbacks for years.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

But the position is so important with so few prospects who truly look like they are able to fulfill the role, that you almost have to take the "if you don't have a franchise nose, you take one" motto that we've used for quarterbacks for years.

Then why didn't Pioli do that his first 3 years?

Also, I wouldn't be shocked if Powe, not Poe, was starting week 1. You look back at clips of Powe and he looks impressive. I don't know what happened with him last year cracking the roster.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Then why didn't Pioli do that his first 3 years?

Also, I wouldn't be shocked if Powe, not Poe, was starting week 1. You look back at clips of Powe and he looks impressive. I don't know what happened with him last year cracking the roster.

I think the only franchise nose Pioli passed on was Cody.

Were there others?

Edit: It will be an extremely fun competition between Poe and Powe for that starting nose tackle position -- I'm going to love it. I think they just purposefully brought Powe along very slowly last year.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I don't know what happened with him last year cracking the roster.

He was a rookie. They don't want to play them if they don't have to.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He was a rookie. They don't want to play them if they don't have to.

Nonsense. They didn't luck into Gregg until after the draft. When he was drafted and in mini-camp etc., it looked like Powe was the guy to play a significant roll at NT.

Even when they signed Gregg, they had to know that he was a stop-gap. It doesn't make sense not to give Powe some snaps last year. They lost 5 games by 20+ points, put him in.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Nonsense. They didn't luck into Gregg until after the draft. When he was drafted and in mini-camp etc., it looked like Powe was the guy to play a significant roll at NT.

Even when they signed Gregg, they had to know that he was a stop-gap. It doesn't make sense not to give Powe some snaps last year. They lost 5 games by 20+ points, put him in.

It didn't make sense to not give Stanzi snaps either. They didn't play Hudson until they had no choice due to injury.

There was no reason (in their mind) to put Powe on the field.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Nonsense. They didn't luck into Gregg until after the draft. When he was drafted and in mini-camp etc., it looked like Powe was the guy to play a significant roll at NT.

Even when they signed Gregg, they had to know that he was a stop-gap. It doesn't make sense not to give Powe some snaps last year. They lost 5 games by 20+ points, put him in.

They had a 45 man roster to work with. If you have a player on there whom you plan on going in only if its a blow out, you're not planning very well to use your roster.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

On the other hand, one can defer to the expert.

I don't think interstellar travel is worth our time to research, but if Stephen Hawking says it is, I'll defer to him because he's a proven genius.

I'll admit I didn't like the Poe selection, but if Romeo Crennel says he has the ability to be molded into someone excellent, I'll defer to him because he's a legit defensive line genius.

Same thing with Herm Edwards and defensive backs -- the guy had a really great eye for them, despite his deficiencies everywhere else (and I do mean everywhere else). Think Todd Haley and receivers, and so on...

Originally Posted by Direckshun

And I will say this, OTW.

We've had this debate a couple years ago when you were the Chiefs GM in the CP Mock draft.

You have to reach for franchise nose tackles, just like you have to reach for franchise quarterbacks. Other wise you end up with midround guys at "great value" instead of high round talent at iffy value (to be generous...).

Poe was a legit 2nd round prospect that we ended up taking way too high in the same vein that Miami did the same thing with Tannehill.

But the position is so important with so few prospects who truly look like they are able to fulfill the role, that you almost have to take the "if you don't have a franchise nose, you take one" motto that we've used for quarterbacks for years.

Says the guy that started a thread titled, "Drafting a nose = bad idea this year."

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Says the guy that started a thread titled, "Drafting a nose this year = bad idea."

I've written more condemning things than that, OTW. I have a 1,500 word post back in March detailing how poor of a fit Poe would be for our scheme.

I've told you I didn't like the pick. It was a solid one-round reach.

But it's not logically inconsistent to come around on the player if Crennel vouches for the guy. This is the bread-and-butter of a Super Bowl caliber defensive coordinator.

That doesn't mean I have to come around on value, because it was piss poor value.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You knew the rationalization was coming.

Very few wanted this kid before the draft, now people think he's a great pick.

People are already setting it up for when he sucks his first year (or two or three) they can break out the "of course he was going to suck his first year" argument.

He'll get a ridiculously long leash for no other reason than who drafted him.

It's always been the case that the higher the ceiling, the longer the leash.