2013 Chiefs QBOTF Watch

[chiefzilla1501]

Update
Anyone I'm forgetting?

Underclassman watch
The way Murray is playing, I think he can and will declare. I would imagine he'd declare if he knew he could be a #1 pick. And I think he could absolutely be a #1 pick over Barkley or Smith.

I know some people are high on Logan Thomas as a potential non top 10 pick. I'm not. I don't like QB converts. Doubt he declares and even when he does, not a real big fan of him.

Already in conversation
Geno Smith's stock is rising - could be a consensus #1 pick, which might go to the Browns. Barkley's stock is falling and this will be very interesting to monitor. He won't drop as Clausen did, but I could easily see him drop significantly. Landry Jones' stock is plummeting too. Tyler Wilson's stock is dropping some. I think the season could be shaping up where the Chiefs can take a stock dropper like Barkley or Wilson either without moving or making a pretty unaggressive trade up.

Sleepers
EJ Manuel is having a terrific season. Very talented QB, but can he run an NFL offense? Doubtful, but it's not a bad gamble depending on where his value ends up.

Tajh Boyd. This might be a guy to keep an eye on. Again, anything but a top shelf prospect, but a guy with some potential upside.

Ryan Nassib - not a franchise guy, but why not look at him to compete with Stanzi for QB depth


Out of contention
Tyler Bray seems to be playing his way out of serious draft pick contention. I don't think he has the mental toughness you'd want in a QB late in the game. He's obviously got a lot of work to do. I can't imagine he declares this year and, if he does, he's probably going to drop.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

They are going to draft Manti Te'o in the first as he'll be considered a perfect player for the mike backer in a 34 defense, which, in all honesty, he is. In fact, there isn't really another 34 mike backer of that level in the entire draft in 2013. He will be the "safe" pick in the first round.

And I think everyone around here should be happy with that selection for the Chiefs as no one seems to like Belcher on this board. (Which is tragic as Jovan has markedly improved the past two seasons and, IMO, is one of the better/unheralded 3/4 mike backers in the NFL. Guy absolutely blows up guards and hits like a freight train.)

So, I would assume that if someone like, say, Geno Smith is sitting there and they pick a mike backer, this board should be ecstatic.

Mike Backers are nice to have, but they don't win you championships.

Nobody on this board will be happy with that pick when we have a tremendous gap at the position that is crucial toward winning a championship.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by milkman

Sadly, however, I believe it will be Landry Jones.

Landry Jones is a really good quarterback. I don't get the dislike for him here.

But then, this is the same board who wanted to get fisted by a toilet brush if we picked Brian Orakpo and who thought that Jimmy Clausen should have been the Chiefs QBOTF.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

1. I don't think that's relevant because we're looking at a range of options, with the most realistic being that we'll probably not draft in the top 10 and likely draft in the top 25

2. There are a lot of good QBs who have to declare. Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, and the door is open for any other QB to slide up. I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, or Tajh Boyd declare as well. I think it's safe to say there will be at least 5 true first round calibre QBs in the draft, whereas I thought last year there were only 3 (and Tannehill, I still believe, would have been low first in any other draft class).

3. There is more than enough that leads us to believe there will be a dramatically reduced need for a QB in the NFL next year.

4. Yes, I agree. I don't think we'll draft a QB, but we can at least become informed about how idiotic it would be NOT to draft a QB. No matter how well Cassel does this season.

1. If we draft 18-25 that means Cassel had a decent season, at least decent enough to justify not drafting his replacement in the first round.

2. The first 4 QBs you mentioned do all have to declare, but I don't see the others declaring. I don't see why they would when they could come back next season and be a higher pick. I could be wrong, but I remember how deep last year's QB class was "projected" to be, until it suddenly wasn't. I won't count my chickens before they hatch outside of the one who have to declare.

3. We will see. Last year 3 QBs went in the top 10, no reason to think that can't happen this year as injuries, suck, retirement etc..... play a role in next year's draft. I could see the Big 4 being gone in the Top 10-15 meaning if we finish outside of that range we could miss out again. Pioli may or may not trade up, we will see.

4. We have been knowing this for how long now? I just hope the front office notices it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Landry Jones is a really good quarterback. I don't get the dislike for him here.

But then, this is the same board who wanted to get fisted by a toilet brush if we picked Brian Orakpo and who thought that Jimmy Clausen should have been the Chiefs QBOTF.

Landry Jones has enough of a skill set, but has the heart of the cowardly lion. He's a guy proficient enough to be an NFL QB, but not a guy I want to be leading my team in a 2 minute drill or to inspire my team to beat the Patriots in a playoff game.

Clausen was Landry Jones but with a better skill set. Nobody said Clausen was the QBOTF, just that to get a QBOTF, you have to take a chance at one.

Pioli has built a very good team off being "safe." To his credit, I think he's built a tremendous team off of good value picks and sure bets. But we're moving beyond that. The foundation is set, it's time to start taking a few gambles.

[O.city]

Jarvis Jenkins in the first, Tyler Wilson in the second

[Bump]

As of right now (of course it's going to look different once college football is over) I would be overwhelmed with joy if we got Geno Smith, Bray or Wilson.

I want to take a damn chance on a QB in the first ****ing round.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

They are going to draft Manti Te'o in the first as he'll be considered a perfect player for the mike backer in a 34 defense, which, in all honesty, he is. In fact, there isn't really another 34 mike backer of that level in the entire draft in 2013. He will be the "safe" pick in the first round.

And I think everyone around here should be happy with that selection for the Chiefs as no one seems to like Belcher on this board. (Which is tragic as Jovan has markedly improved the past two seasons and, IMO, is one of the better/unheralded 3/4 mike backers in the NFL. Guy absolutely blows up guards and hits like a freight train.)

So, I would assume that if someone like, say, Geno Smith is sitting there and they pick a mike backer, this board should be ecstatic.

I've been defending Jovan Belcher here for 3 years.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Landry Jones is a really good quarterback. I don't get the dislike for him here.

But then, this is the same board who wanted to get fisted by a toilet brush if we picked Brian Orakpo and who thought that Jimmy Clausen should have been the Chiefs QBOTF.

I never liked Clausen.


Landry Jones is a QB, like Matt Cassel, who needs players around him to raise his level of play.

I want a QB who raises the level of play around him.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by tredadda

1. If we draft 18-25 that means Cassel had a decent season, at least decent enough to justify not drafting his replacement in the first round.

2. The first 4 QBs you mentioned do all have to declare, but I don't see the others declaring. I don't see why they would when they could come back next season and be a higher pick. I could be wrong, but I remember how deep last year's QB class was "projected) to be, until it suddenly wasn't. I won't count my chickens before they hatch outside of the one who have to declare.

3. We will see. Last year 3 QBs went in the top 10, no reason to think that can't happen this year as injuries, suck, retirement etc..... play a role in next year's draft. I could see the Big 4 being gone in the Top 10-15 meaning if we finish outside of that range we could miss out again. Pioli may or may not trade up, we will see.

4. We have been knowing this for how long now? I just hope the front office notices it.

1. To the front office, yes. To any knowledgeable football mind, the Chiefs should draft a QB no matter what. Especially since any Chiefs' success will likely be due to the successes of our running game and defense, not the QB.

2. I disagree. Barkley is a good QB, but he's no Andrew Luck. Murray and Bray could declare because they could catapult Barkley. If either of these guys project to be top 5 picks, and I think that's a very distinct possibility, then there's no reason for them to stay another year.

3. I disagree. I think there is quite a bit more stability at the QB position and unlike last year, I don't think there's going to be a desperation grab that it's either the top 2 guys, or the 3rd guy we're "meh" about, and then... "oh shit, who now?"

[SAUTO]

Where were you zilla when Clausen came out?


Many called him a qbotf...
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[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by O.city

Jarvis Jenkins in the first, Tyler Wilson in the second

I would cream my jeans if this could happen. I don't see Wilson falling to the second, however. Jarvis Jenkins is a freak . I bet he could play inside and outside in a RC 3-4.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Where were you zilla when Clausen came out?


Many called him a qbotf...
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Myself included. But look... the conversation around Luck and RGIII is that these guys are guaranteed successes and guaranteed QBOTFs. The conversation around Clausen was that "we get that maybe he's unproven in late game situations, and we get that there's character issues, but he shows POTENTIAL to be a QBOTF."

Yes, Clausen was overhyped. But I don't think it's accurate that many called him a guarantee at QBOTF. Just that Cassel wasn't a QBOTF and it's worth taking a gamble for a guy who has potential to be a QBOTF.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Landry Jones has enough of a skill set, but has the heart of the cowardly lion. He's a guy proficient enough to be an NFL QB, but not a guy I want to be leading my team in a 2 minute drill or to inspire my team to beat the Patriots in a playoff game.

Heart of a cowardly lion? The guy has won three bowl games, including a BCS, a conference championship and owns nearly every Sooner passing record.

Clausen was Landry Jones but with a better skill set.

Holy hell...did you really just type that? Clausen's skill set wasn't good. It's why I hated the guy.

Nobody said Clausen was the QBOTF, just that to get a QBOTF, you have to take a chance at one.

You don't take a chance. You get the guy who you know fits the system and can take the team to that next level. Jones' skill set and physical attributes are damn near ideal for the offense that Daboll runs and he's not a Cassel clone. This guy has been pimped as a legit first rounder for two years now. Cassel was a seventh round pick for a reason. Jones has superb mechanics, a nice arm, is athletic, etc.

You may not like him because you think he's a "cowardly lion" (which I have no idea what that means, so you'll have to extrapolate a bit on that concept for me), but the guy has all the tools you look for in a NFL QB.

Pioli has built a very good team off being "safe." To his credit, I think he's built a tremendous team off of good value picks and sure bets. But we're moving beyond that. The foundation is set, it's time to start taking a few gambles.

When you gamble, more often than not, you lose. It's why they can continue to build billion dollar hotels in the middle of the Nevada desert. You don't take a guy at a position just to take the position. How would you like Jimmy Clausen as your current Chiefs QB? There were a shit ton of idiots around here that were perfectly happy taking that gamble.

[Ming the Merciless]

this kid

[HoneyBadger]

Id love to get Barkley, but wont happen. I'd like Bray, he was my brother's friend and they played sports together in high school.

[SAUTO]

You said no one called him a qbotf, then said you were includes in the group that called him a qbotf.


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