Chiefs Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. - Page 2

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:28 AM

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with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

3-4 2 gap system

the Dline is NEVER going to look impactful unless you get lucky and grab a Reggie White.

the scheme is meant to unleash the linebackers

it's also meant to blitz

but this team has been built around the d-line. That's the franchise right now.

Ask yourself this question. Do you see any noticable difference in how our defense performs when our backups are in on the d-line? the backups that were street free agents or late round picks?

mcaj22 · 09-10-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

We have two probowl LB's.

BOTH WERE HURT.

no. ONE WAS HURT

one was SUSPENDED AND IS FULLY HEALTHY AND FAT SCOTT DID NOTHING FROM A DEPTH PERSPECTIVE TO EVEN ADDRESS THAT NEED and the **** probably knew all summer that this was going to happen

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump

but this team has been built around the d-line. That's the franchise right now.

Ask yourself this question. Do you see any noticable difference in how our defense performs when our backups are in on the d-line? the backups that were street free agents or late round picks?

The d-line was better yesterday than it was with Kelly Gregg. I thought the d-line looked better than ever yesterday. Tyson Jackson looked nasty for the first time.

Also, NT is far and away the most important position in the 3-4 defense and we have never really had one until this year.

Look at the Giants. They were built around the d-line. The pats d-lines were great when they won Superbowls. The steelers had good d-lines. The colts had a great d-line. Having a good d-line is a piece to the puzzle.

**Rausch** · 09-10-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

no. ONE WAS HURT

one was SUSPENDED AND IS FULLY HEALTHY AND FAT SCOTT DID NOTHING FROM A DEPTH PERSPECTIVE TO EVEN ADDRESS THAT NEED and the **** probably knew all summer that this was going to happen

Hali will miss one game.

Our secondary needed the most help. We didn't address it at because of that it completely neutered our defense.

mcaj22 · 09-10-2012, 11:42 AM

we still dont have a NT

which is why Glenn Dorsey even had to take snaps at NT yesterday lol

**the Talking Can** · 09-10-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

The D-line is important. The idea of spending 1st round picks on it isn't crazy. However, when the Pats did it they got guys like Seymour and Wilfork. The Chiefs haven't.
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this

which just means first round picks have to be impact players, scheme be damned

you can't justify spending 3 top eleven picks on the DL if all they have to do is stop the run..you can justify spending a first round pick on JJ Watts

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

they run the Dallas the 3-4

Jay Ratliff is an attacking/penetrating d-lineman as well

Yep, it's the same thing San Franciso runs too....

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:46 AM

I'm regretting the RAC hire too. I bet if we just would have hired a head coach that would have retained Romeo as DC, the D would have been more ready to play.

This is what happened last year too. The first 2 games we gave up 70-80 points and then we turned it around on defense.

htismaqe · 09-10-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

The d-line was better yesterday than it was with Kelly Gregg. I thought the d-line looked better than ever yesterday. Tyson Jackson looked nasty for the first time.

Also, NT is far and away the most important position in the 3-4 defense and we have never really had one until this year.

Look at the Giants. They were built around the d-line. The pats d-lines were great when they won Superbowls. The steelers had good d-lines. The colts had a great d-line. Having a good d-line is a piece to the puzzle.

What you fail to address is that all of those teams were built around ONE first-round guy (if that).

The Giants got their guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The Pats had Seymour but Wilfork was taken at the back of the first. The Steelers have a couple of guys from the late 1st but nobody in the top 10. And their top passrusher was an undrafted FA. Outside of Freeny at #11 overall, the Colts didn't invest top draft picks in linemen.

What do most of those teams have in common? When they had a top 10 (or even top 5) pick, they took a QUARTERBACK.

We've spent so many top draft picks on linemen that we're woefully thin on top-tier talent elsewhere.

Fritz88 · 09-10-2012, 11:48 AM

Why would the Dline do well when your DBs are shitting the bed.

Fix your secondary then see how your Dline works.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 11:49 AM

First, the plan was never for Dorsey to be a 3-4 DE when we took him. He looked like Warren Sapp coming out. That pick was a no brainer and I do believe Herm would have taken Ryan if he was there.

Second, Look at the picks the year Pioli took Jackson. They aren't very good players. maybe we could have taken Raji but he hasn't been that great. Jackson looks pretty good to me when you look at that class. I'm not really sure where you think we were going to get an impact player in that bunch?

Mr. Laz · 09-10-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

First, the plan was never for Dorsey to be a 3-4 DE when we took him. He looked like Warren Sapp coming out. That pick was a no brainer and I do believe Herm would have taken Ryan if he was there.

Second, Look at the picks the year Pioli took Jackson. They aren't very good players. maybe we could have taken Raji but he hasn't been that great. Jackson looks pretty good to me when you look at that class. I'm not really sure where you think we were going to get an impact player in that bunch?

Dorsey looked crappy in a 4-3 scheme

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump

I'm regretting the RAC hire too. I bet if we just would have hired a head coach that would have retained Romeo as DC, the D would have been more ready to play.

Romeo stated publicly that if he wasn't hired as the head coach after his 2-1 performance last year, he'd move on and not stay in KC.

htismaqe · 09-10-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

First, the plan was never for Dorsey to be a 3-4 DE when we took him. He looked like Warren Sapp coming out. That pick was a no brainer and I do believe Herm would have taken Ryan if he was there.

Second, Look at the picks the year Pioli took Jackson. They aren't very good players. maybe we could have taken Raji but he hasn't been that great. Jackson looks pretty good to me when you look at that class. I'm not really sure where you think we were going to get an impact player in that bunch?

Take Sanchez and roll the dice.

No he hasn't looked great to this point but it's also New York - you have no idea how good he would have been here. Hell, he might have been worse.

But at least you tried.

htismaqe · 09-10-2012, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Romeo stated publicly that if he wasn't hired as the head coach after his 2-1 performance last year, he'd move on and not stay in KC.

Should have let him go.

09-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $1685105	Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. #5 overall #3 overall #11 overall with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again. Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle... And also, who the ** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round? Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks. honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the **ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.
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09-10-2012, 11:42 AM	#20
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	we still dont have a NT which is why Glenn Dorsey even had to take snaps at NT yesterday lol
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09-10-2012, 11:46 AM	#23
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $1685105	I'm regretting the RAC hire too. I bet if we just would have hired a head coach that would have retained Romeo as DC, the D would have been more ready to play. This is what happened last year too. The first 2 games we gave up 70-80 points and then we turned it around on defense. __________________
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Fritz88 Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $8835943	Why would the Dline do well when your DBs are shitting the bed. Fix your secondary then see how your Dline works.
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09-10-2012, 11:49 AM	#26
Black Bob Veteran Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Mohawk Town Casino cash: $10004900	First, the plan was never for Dorsey to be a 3-4 DE when we took him. He looked like Warren Sapp coming out. That pick was a no brainer and I do believe Herm would have taken Ryan if he was there. Second, Look at the picks the year Pioli took Jackson. They aren't very good players. maybe we could have taken Raji but he hasn't been that great. Jackson looks pretty good to me when you look at that class. I'm not really sure where you think we were going to get an impact player in that bunch?
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