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[Hammock Parties]

Donald Stephenson sucks horribly. -4.8. 5 QB pressures.

Jeff Allen also continued his suck from last week. -3.8. Disappointing after he was showing improvement.

Patty DiMarco was doing work in the running game. +3.4 in run blocking.

Steve Maneri, Dexter, Devon Wylie and Jamar Newsome all had more snaps on pass plays than Jon Baldwin.

Tyson Jackson continued his ascendance as a stud pass rusher with a -1.1 and 0 QB pressures. He's now the 33rd best 3-4 DE pass rusher. Out of 34 players. 30th overall.

Defense played really well. +2.5 for Poe. Houston picked up 4 QB pressures. Berry +2.7 in pass coverage. Targeted 7 times, gave up 30 yards. 2 passes defensed.

Berry broke into the positive side of the rankings.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Don't get too excited. That basically makes him Dwan Edwards at this point.

Just saying for a Rookie DL, he's coming along pretty well. We'll see how next year looks for him.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Toad

In fairness to Allen and Stephenson, Daboli has done them any favors with the atrocious play calling

Can't block the player lined up across from them because the play was a 15 yard post instead of a 3 yard slant?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

2nd round picks should be a LOT better than Allen is right now.

He's incredibly disappointing.

Meh, it depends on what you're looking for. I actually like the picks the Chiefs made on both lines. I've said many times that Poe is a terrific pick, because it's the ballsy pick Pioli should have made the last 3 drafts. Stephenson and Allen are a departure from Pioli's usual "play it safe." You could have gone with a safe left tackle like Mike Adams, who will probably be a middle-of-the road starter at absolute best, but definitely no better. Same with Guard -- lots of guys who can step in and play right away. But with Stephenson and Allen, he picked two guys who are raw today, but have some upside. I think both have proven enough in this rookie season that they have good upside. But both are nowhere near starter material. So I would agree with you, but Allen is a guy I'd focus more on how he improves vs. how he plays today.

But the fact remains... we're still talking about "support guys" when in 4 years, Pioli has been miserable at drafting and bringing in talent at core positions, apart from Justin Houston.

[Hammock Parties]

From a 2nd round pick, I'm looking for a kid who can at least hold his own.

Allen has been getting DOMINATED all year.

2nd round linemen have gone to the PRO BOWL as rookies before.

[The Bad Guy]

Whoever the next guy hired is, no way we can go back to a 4-3. Keep the ascending players like Poe and Houston in their spots.

[Toad]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Can't block the player lined up across from them because the play was a 15 yard post instead of a 3 yard slant?

Generally speaking, OL benefit from time together and a good game plan to create cohesiveness. They have not had either

[kcchris727]

Thats because Pioli sucks horribly, he could have just gotten Russel Wilson and then we could be looking at Teo this year, but no now we have to try and grab a QB when there is no lock at QB this year.

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Donald Stephenson sucks horribly. -4.8. 5 QB pressures.

Jeff Allen also continued his suck from last week. -3.8. Disappointing after he was showing improvement.

Patty DiMarco was doing work in the running game. +3.4 in run blocking.

Steve Maneri, Dexter, Devon Wylie and Jamar Newsome all had more snaps on pass plays than Jon Baldwin.

Tyson Jackson continued his ascendance as a stud pass rusher with a -1.1 and 0 QB pressures. He's now the 33rd best 3-4 DE pass rusher. Out of 34 players. 30th overall.

Thanks Pioli for jacking us up like everyone else has done to us forever. Good God, we could have had Russel Wilson but dumbass likes to reach with our first round picks and grab shitty players...dumb ****. He better get fired.

Defense played really well. +2.5 for Poe. Houston picked up 4 QB pressures. Berry +2.7 in pass coverage. Targeted 7 times, gave up 30 yards. 2 passes defensed.

Berry broke into the positive side of the rankings.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by kcchris727

Thats because Pioli sucks horribly, he could have just gotten Russel Wilson and then we could be looking at Teo this year, but no now we have to try and grab a QB when there is no lock at QB this year.

gtfo of here with this

[jd1020]

We should have drafted Russell Wilson... so he could take Stanzi's job of holding a clipboard in street clothes.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Whoever the next guy hired is, no way we can go back to a 4-3. Keep the ascending players like Poe and Houston in their spots.

Yep, what a HUGE waste of time and talent that would be.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Whoever the next guy hired is, no way we can go back to a 4-3. Keep the ascending players like Poe and Houston in their spots.

Yup. We have enough talent in the front 7 to play a 1-gap or an under hybrid (like they run in Seattle). We need to find DEs who can play more one-gap, but if that's the "big change" we need to make, I don't worry about that.

[chuxtrux]

Just from trying to connect all the PFF threads this year, would the top 5 highest ranked be in this order?

1 - Charles
2 - Hali
3 - Flowers
4 - Houston
5 - DJ

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by chuxtrux

Just from trying to connect all the PFF threads this year, would the top 5 highest ranked be in this order?

1 - Charles
2 - Hali
3 - Flowers
4 - Houston
5 - DJ

I doubt Hali would be that high. He's had an off year.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Allen's got a really long way to go but I don't think he's done anything to prove he was a bad pick, especially where he was drafted. Stephenson, I think, has flashed potential as a really good developmental LT and somebody we can plug in in a pinch. A nice guy to have as a backup. But you're right, as of now... not starting offensive line material.

The dude was a very high second rounder. As a "projected" guard. (He was a four year starter at tackle in college - which is typical of a Pioli line pick.)

When you are a very high second round pick as a freaking guard, you better be kicking the shit out of stuff sooner rather than later. I mean - a freaking guard in the second round. Again.

But shit, let's take a ****ing lean tackle (and looking at Allen, I don't know if he actually has the base to be a truly effective guard at this level), make him a guard and take that guy (Hudson) who was all-world at guard in college, make him a center instead of leaving him at guard and draft the best center in the 2012 draft in Pete Konz.

****ing Pioli.

[mcaj22]

im glad in year 4 of Pioli we are wasting 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks on RAW DEVELOPING PLAYERS that take years to even show anything.

That's why this team is 2-14.

Tyson Jacskon - still hasnt developed
Eric Berry - long was to go, another year at best
Jon Baldwin - maybe by year 5 he might catch 50 balls.
Jeff Allen/Donald Stephonson - We could have had Russel Wilson but instead we have to wait 3 years to see if either of these guys are worth a shit
McCluster/Javier Arenas - These guys are never going to develop into anything

you have to HIT on at least some of these picks in 4 years and the only one he did was Justin Houston. The rest are complete whiffs that keep this team devoid of talent until any of them start showing something.