Chiefs Dan Pompei: Will Alex Smith play as well for Andy Reid as he did for Jim Harbaugh? - Page 2

FringeNC · 03-31-2013, 06:13 AM

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-7336.html

It is fair to wonder how Alex Smith will perform without Jim Harbaugh on the other end of his strings.

After all, the new Chiefs quarterback had a 95.1 passer rating with Harbaugh as his coach compared to 72.1 for the previous six years of his career, according to STATS.

And it also is fair to wonder why Smith cannot continue to perform under Andy Reid as he did under Harbaugh. The first thing to be understood about Smith is he is gifted. Very gifted.

So gifted in fact that most of the NFL agreed he should be picked ahead of Aaron Rodgers in 2004. So gifted that he was the first pick of the draft that year. So gifted that new Chiefs general manager John Dorsey had no qualms about giving up two second round picks in a trade with the 49ers to acquire him.

“He has the physical skill to push the ball down the field, the accuracy and ability to drive the medium routes and at times the ability to drive the long routes with accuracy,” Dorsey told me. “He minimizes mistakes. He understands he can’t turn the ball over.”

So why haven’t we always seen the talent with Smith? Why did the Niners try to replace him? There may be a ceiling in terms of how good he can be, but it also is possible, maybe even probable, that he has not yet reached it.

His development likely was slowed by the fact that he faced enormous expectations and pressure as the No. 1 pick of the draft. And he wasn’t exactly surrounded by all pros for most of his career. He never had a Pro Bowl wide receiver or a receiver who gained 1,000 yards in a season. Among his leading wide receivers during his time in San Francisco were Brandon Lloyd, Antonio Bryant and Arnez Battle.

And then there was the coordinator issue. Before Harbaugh arrived, Smith played for six coordinators in five years—from Mike McCarthy to Norv Turner to Jim Hostler to Mike Martz to Jimmy Raye to Mike Johnson to Greg Roman. Every season for his first six seasons, he had to learn a new offense. He has had the same offensive coordinator in place for two full seasons only once in his NFL career.

“I think stability is an important thing for quarterbacks,” Chiefs coach Andy Reid told me. “If you look at all the change that took place in that kid’s NFL life early, that’s a wild ride. Look at how many quarterbacks have been ruined going through that situation. He came out on top. That’s a tribute to him.”

When Smith was paired with Harbaugh, there were immediate results. Harbaugh refutes the notion it was about him though.

“These guys do it themselves or they don’t do it themselves,” Harbaugh told me. “Players in general, quarterbacks specifically. Standing here saying, ‘Here is what I told them,’ is shameless self promotion. It’s such a small part of why they were really good. It’s a little phony.

“He improved at playing his game, knowing how to be successful, going out every week and playing that ace of spades. He’s a one of a kind guy, one of a kind person. He’s extremely talented, extremely smart. He did the best job of just playing his game.”

Dorsey sees it similarly. “It’s far to say San Francisco has begun to have a lot of success the last couple of years,” he said. “But in the beginning, Alex Smith had a lot to do with it. Jim Harbaugh is a good coach. That doesn’t take anything away from what Alex did when he got on the field, or from what his teammates did.”

There is another factor in this story too. It’s not like Smith now is being coached by some meathead straight out of the Pee Wee League. When it comes to quarterback coaching, Andy Reid has some chops. Remember his work with Brett Favre? Donovan McNabb? Reid also was responsible for helping to turn backups A.J. Feeley and Kevin Kolb into tradable commodities.

“Andy does a great job of getting guy son board and coaching them up,” Dorsey said.

Reid has studied what Harbaugh did with Smith. He’ll do some of the same things. He said his system is not that much different from Harbaugh’s.

“One of the keys as a coach is you play to a player’s strength,” he said. “You continue to try to improve things that he needs improving on, but heck, if they are good at something, you cut him loose and let him do it. We’ll do that.”

“The bottom line is you can’t hide the fact that he’s won games and he has a great quarterback rating, he’s consistent.”

It’s up to Smith to prove he was more than the product of a great coach in San Francisco. The Chiefs are betting he’ll do that.

DTLB58 · 03-31-2013, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Alex Smith had one good playoff game. Stanzi>A Smith

What a tard.

crossbow · 03-31-2013, 08:54 AM

There's nothing to "figure out" here. This guy is barely adequite and the Chiefs made a huge mistake that will take years to pay for. Stupid, lazy move. Stupid freeking stupid.

DTLB58 · 03-31-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't believe, like some do, that Brad Childress was brought in and named "Spread game analyst" to incorporate elements of the spread to Reid's offense to maximize Geno's talents and potential.

I believe that move was made to maximize Alex Smith's chances to grow and succeed.
He became the first overall pick in '05 playing in the spread in college.

Childress is going to work with Reid and Pederson to incorporate spread concepts in Reid's offense in the hopes of getting Alex Smith to grow into more than an efficient game manager.

I personally don't believe it will work, but who knows?

Kudos to you for having the where with all to look into something instead of just saying "Geno".

Even if you might not believe in something at least you show to have some brains.

Chiefs Pantalones · 03-31-2013, 08:58 AM

I have that same worrisome feeling in the offseason wondering if our QB will be any good going into the season that I had with Cassel. One day I'll be comfortable/confident in our QB. One day...

chiefzilla1501 · 03-31-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Alex Smith looked good under Jim Harbaugh handing the ball off to Frank Gore 30 times a game and allowing the 49ers strong defense to win most games.

That isn't a formula for winning a Super Bowl in today's NFL... something Harbaugh recognized by going with a QB with more playmaking ability than Alex Smith (Colin Kaepernick).

One thing you can also take from this article, if I"m being an optimist, is that both Dorsey and Reid are candid about who Alex Smith is. They pretty directly say he's a QB with limitations that you have to work around. This article does not sound to me like two guys gushing over a QB. I would be shocked if they don't bring in strong competition via the draft.

mikey23545 · 03-31-2013, 09:06 AM

I notice the people who are most critical of Smith are the ones who not only can't spell, but also cannot learn to use spellcheck.

**Ming the Merciless** · 03-31-2013, 09:12 AM

Dan Pompeii : will my mouth ever leave Alex smith's nutsack or veiny girthsicle

Saccopoo · 03-31-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by crossbow

There's nothing to "figure out" here. This guy is barely adequite and the Chiefs made a huge mistake that will take years to pay for. Stupid, lazy move. Stupid freeking stupid.

No it's not. It's a move like they made at various other positions during the free agency. They brought a guy in here that gave them the best chance to right this ship as fast as possible. When you have a team that just sent five guys to the Pro Bowl but was 2-14, you have talent, but you also have a culture of losing.

How many times have the Chiefs picked in the top ten in the past six years or so? These guys are talented, but they don't know anything other than mediocrity at best and dog shit at worst.

Reid brings in guys like Alex Smith, DeWitt, Sean Smith, Fasano, Schwartz, Robinson, et al., so this team and it's talent (Bowe, Charles, Hali, Houston, Johnson, Berry, Colquitt, Albert) can start putting wins on the board right now. Reid and Dorsey know that there is talent and they are not about to waste it.

They've filled all the holes on this team with good talent that can win now. They are going to approach the draft with a true "Best Player Available" mentality and fill up this team with young players who will push the current players as soon as possible, but they are not going to rely on unproven rookies to try and win right from the get go.

It's a smart, savvy understanding and application of getting this team competitive sooner rather than later. Especially considering the division that this team is in - the Broncos have a lot of holes on defense and a QB that doesn't have the arm strength he used to. The Raiders are in full rebuild as well as the Chargers. The Chiefs have as good a shot to win the AFC West now as they ever have.

And that's worth a second round draft pick, IMO, versus an unproven rookie who is going to take time adjusting to the speed and understanding of the NFL (and who might never adjust). Smith is not Cassel. Smith is a good QB. He's not great, but he's good enough to get this team pointed in the right direction immediately. And he's good enough to have a guy like Geno learn and watch for a year or two before taking over the reins.

BlackHelicopters · 03-31-2013, 09:32 AM

SF fleeced us on this trade and we will continue to tread water at best for years.

Chris Meck · 03-31-2013, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No it's not. It's a move like they made at various other positions during the free agency. They brought a guy in here that gave them the best chance to right this ship as fast as possible. When you have a team that just sent five guys to the Pro Bowl but was 2-14, you have talent, but you also have a culture of losing.

How many times have the Chiefs picked in the top ten in the past six years or so? These guys are talented, but they don't know anything other than mediocrity at best and dog shit at worst.

Reid brings in guys like Alex Smith, DeWitt, Sean Smith, Fasano, Schwartz, Robinson, et al., so this team and it's talent (Bowe, Charles, Hali, Houston, Johnson, Berry, Colquitt, Albert) can start putting wins on the board right now. Reid and Dorsey know that there is talent and they are not about to waste it.

They've filled all the holes on this team with good talent that can win now. They are going to approach the draft with a true "Best Player Available" mentality and fill up this team with young players who will push the current players as soon as possible, but they are not going to rely on unproven rookies to try and win right from the get go.

It's a smart, savvy understanding and application of getting this team competitive sooner rather than later. Especially considering the division that this team is in - the Broncos have a lot of holes on defense and a QB that doesn't have the arm strength he used to. The Raiders are in full rebuild as well as the Chargers. The Chiefs have as good a shot to win the AFC West now as they ever have.

And that's worth a second round draft pick, IMO, versus an unproven rookie who is going to take time adjusting to the speed and understanding of the NFL (and who might never adjust). Smith is not Cassel. Smith is a good QB. He's not great, but he's good enough to get this team pointed in the right direction immediately. And he's good enough to have a guy like Geno learn and watch for a year or two before taking over the reins.

abso****inglutely. Dorsey and Reid aren't playing Madden, they're planning on winning right away.

03-31-2013, 06:13 AM
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $466014	Dan Pompei: Will Alex Smith play as well for Andy Reid as he did for Jim Harbaugh? http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-7336.html It is fair to wonder how Alex Smith will perform without Jim Harbaugh on the other end of his strings. After all, the new Chiefs quarterback had a 95.1 passer rating with Harbaugh as his coach compared to 72.1 for the previous six years of his career, according to STATS. And it also is fair to wonder why Smith cannot continue to perform under Andy Reid as he did under Harbaugh. The first thing to be understood about Smith is he is gifted. Very gifted. So gifted in fact that most of the NFL agreed he should be picked ahead of Aaron Rodgers in 2004. So gifted that he was the first pick of the draft that year. So gifted that new Chiefs general manager John Dorsey had no qualms about giving up two second round picks in a trade with the 49ers to acquire him. “He has the physical skill to push the ball down the field, the accuracy and ability to drive the medium routes and at times the ability to drive the long routes with accuracy,” Dorsey told me. “He minimizes mistakes. He understands he can’t turn the ball over.” So why haven’t we always seen the talent with Smith? Why did the Niners try to replace him? There may be a ceiling in terms of how good he can be, but it also is possible, maybe even probable, that he has not yet reached it. His development likely was slowed by the fact that he faced enormous expectations and pressure as the No. 1 pick of the draft. And he wasn’t exactly surrounded by all pros for most of his career. He never had a Pro Bowl wide receiver or a receiver who gained 1,000 yards in a season. Among his leading wide receivers during his time in San Francisco were Brandon Lloyd, Antonio Bryant and Arnez Battle. And then there was the coordinator issue. Before Harbaugh arrived, Smith played for six coordinators in five years—from Mike McCarthy to Norv Turner to Jim Hostler to Mike Martz to Jimmy Raye to Mike Johnson to Greg Roman. Every season for his first six seasons, he had to learn a new offense. He has had the same offensive coordinator in place for two full seasons only once in his NFL career. “I think stability is an important thing for quarterbacks,” Chiefs coach Andy Reid told me. “If you look at all the change that took place in that kid’s NFL life early, that’s a wild ride. Look at how many quarterbacks have been ruined going through that situation. He came out on top. That’s a tribute to him.” When Smith was paired with Harbaugh, there were immediate results. Harbaugh refutes the notion it was about him though. “These guys do it themselves or they don’t do it themselves,” Harbaugh told me. “Players in general, quarterbacks specifically. Standing here saying, ‘Here is what I told them,’ is shameless self promotion. It’s such a small part of why they were really good. It’s a little phony. “He improved at playing his game, knowing how to be successful, going out every week and playing that ace of spades. He’s a one of a kind guy, one of a kind person. He’s extremely talented, extremely smart. He did the best job of just playing his game.” Dorsey sees it similarly. “It’s far to say San Francisco has begun to have a lot of success the last couple of years,” he said. “But in the beginning, Alex Smith had a lot to do with it. Jim Harbaugh is a good coach. That doesn’t take anything away from what Alex did when he got on the field, or from what his teammates did.” There is another factor in this story too. It’s not like Smith now is being coached by some meathead straight out of the Pee Wee League. When it comes to quarterback coaching, Andy Reid has some chops. Remember his work with Brett Favre? Donovan McNabb? Reid also was responsible for helping to turn backups A.J. Feeley and Kevin Kolb into tradable commodities. “Andy does a great job of getting guy son board and coaching them up,” Dorsey said. Reid has studied what Harbaugh did with Smith. He’ll do some of the same things. He said his system is not that much different from Harbaugh’s. “One of the keys as a coach is you play to a player’s strength,” he said. “You continue to try to improve things that he needs improving on, but heck, if they are good at something, you cut him loose and let him do it. We’ll do that.” “The bottom line is you can’t hide the fact that he’s won games and he has a great quarterback rating, he’s consistent.” It’s up to Smith to prove he was more than the product of a great coach in San Francisco. The Chiefs are betting he’ll do that.
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