Chiefs Peter King Pimping Charles for MVP - Page 2

**Buehler445** · 12-17-2013, 05:15 PM

Not often King pimps the Chiefs (save any Pioli slobbering).

Hope he didn't just curse Charles

Link

Now Entering the MVP Race: Jamaal Charles

The MVP debate lost one borderline candidate Monday night. Calvin Johnson was going to have a tough road, as any wide receiver always would, but his three drops—two of them at crucial times—in a loss that could keep the Lions from making the playoffs will knock out whatever chance he had in what has been a great season.

But the debate did gain one entrant in Week 15: Kansas City running back Jamaal Charles. His five-touchdown performance in the Chiefs’ win at Oakland Sunday (and seven in the last two weeks, for a league-high 18 on the season) is notable not just because of the sheer luminosity of it. It’s the totality of the offensive renaissance in Kansas City.

For the first half of the season, the Chiefs survived on defense and whatever Charles’ legs could provide on offense. In the last four games K.C. has averaged 42 points a game—42 points total would have been a month’s work back in October—and this has been Charles’ eye-popping output:

Attempts Yards Average TDs
Rushing 60 378 6.3 5
Receiving 16 272 17.0 5
Total 76 650 8.6 10

When a guy is averaging 8.6 yards per touch, maybe he should be getting the ball more than 19 times a game. But whatever Andy Reid is calling in the last month is working, and much of it is centered around Charles. If the Chiefs win out and finish 13-3, and the pacesetters—Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton—struggle a bit in the last two weeks, Charles could become a dark-horse candidate for either the MVP or Offensive Player of the Year.

“I’m not in the race,” Charles told me after the 56-31 rout of the Raiders. “That’s not for me to decide if I deserve something like that. I deserve to work hard and get ready to play the best football I can. After that, it’s not up to me.”

But …

“I do think about it,” he said. “But then I think about what I can control.”
What Reid has brought to the Chiefs, other than a calming influence after a raging storm in the last couple of seasons in Kansas City, is some new ideas to the offense. One is how to use Charles. Example: Saturday night in the hotel in California, Reid shared the first 15 plays with the offensive team, as he does every week. And the first play was a screen to Charles, a play the Chiefs thought would be great to run early to take advantage of the Raiders’ overaggressiveness and their wont to pursue plays too fast on screens.

“I looked on the paper and saw that,” said Charles, “and I focused on it all night. I could see it happening, and I knew it would be a good play to run for us. It turned out to be wide open.”

The 49-yard screen on the first play from scrimmage was one of four touchdown catches for Charles on the day, and for the year he’s been the best receiver out of the backfield in the league, by far: 65 catches, 655 yards, 11 touchdowns.

Now it’s going to be up to the 50 voters who make the picks for post-season awards for the Associated Press. (I am one of them.) Charles’s play down the stretch, and how he’s enlivened an offense that needed it, could thrust him into a race no one saw him in a month ago.

Sannyasi · 12-17-2013, 09:25 PM

Cam has fewer yards than Alex Smith this year.

TEX · 12-17-2013, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sannyasi

Cam has fewer yards than Alex Smith this year.

But...but...but...HOW??? I thought ALex Smith "Always has, does, and always will SUCK???"

dtebbe · 12-17-2013, 10:50 PM

Then Tom Brady smacks Peter with his peter and Peter votes like he always does...

DT

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-17-2013, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

lol

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/jama...-running-back/

That guy is 100% correct.

With that said, I fully expect JC to win OPOY.

sedated · 12-17-2013, 10:59 PM

Wait...Cam is an MVP candidate? Lol.

SeeingRed · 12-17-2013, 11:25 PM

what are Charles's exact stats for the year now so far with 2 games left?......how many yards from scrimmage? 18 TD's total?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-17-2013, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SeeingRed

what are Charles's exact stats for the year now so far with 2 games left?......how many yards from scrimmage? 18 TD's total?

www.nfl.com

Coach · 12-17-2013, 11:42 PM

Peter King?

Am I wrong, or is this the clown that crowned our asses as the worst 8-0/9-0 team?

Edit: My bad, that was Pete Pricko.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-17-2013, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Peter King?

Am I wrong, or is this the clown that crowned our asses as the worst 8-0/9-0 team?

I believe that was Pete Prisco of CBS.

Peter King is the fat guy on NBC who talks funny because he has Scott Pioli's balls in his mouth.

Coach · 12-17-2013, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I believe that was Pete Prisco of CBS.

Yes, you are correct. I had to recollect my memory as to who it was.

I was wrong. For some reason, I kept thinking King was the guy who kept bashing the Chiefs for the record, until I finally got it, and I was about to correct myself, and you confirmed it.

SeeingRed · 12-17-2013, 11:46 PM

ok so given those numbers Charles should end up at around 2100 yards from scrimmage and 21 TDs....those ARE MVP worthy numbers only problem is he is up against a guy who is on pace to end up with close to 5500 passing yards and 54 TDs. Cam Newton isnt in the conversation in my eyes.........its Manning or Charles. Manning is MVP unless something like this past week happens again this week (where JC gets 5 TDs and 200+ yards from scrimmage) then it gets interesting. But Mannings stats have never been done before

SeeingRed · 12-17-2013, 11:50 PM

Peterson won MVP last year with 2314 yards from scrimmage and 13 TDs....so saying JC shouldnt be in the discussion is absurd. I dont see anybody else besides him and Manning being in the conversation however

GOB · 12-18-2013, 12:04 AM

Saw this on Grantland yesterday. It's by Bill Barnwell article who usually writes about real football but decided to try and describe JC's gretness using fantasy football stats. Pretty great:

Charles in Charge

It's good that you probably weren't watching the Chiefs-Raiders game Sunday afternoon, because the things that Jamaal Charles was doing to the Raiders shouldn't have been broadcast on television before the safe harbor. With the Oakland defense either unaware that running backs can catch passes or uninterested in learning from its mistakes, Charles caught a bevy of screens and swing passes amid a truly monstrous day. While Charles only ran for 20 yards on eight carries — by far his lowest rushing output of the season — his eight catches yielded a whopping 195 yards, tying him with DeSean Jackson as the day's leading receiver. In all, Charles finished with five touchdowns, four of which came through the air. In a traditional scoring system, Charles produced 51.5 fantasy points.

Of course, fantasy points are even more meaningful these days. Charles's huge day came in Week 15, which is right smack-dab in the middle of just about every fantasy football league's playoffs. I suppose there are some people who had Charles in their lineup this week and lost, but I'm guessing that the 50-spot Charles posted won a lot of people a lot of playoff games and a whole lot of money. Given the high stakes, was it the most clutch fantasy football performance … ever?

Football crack — also known as pro-football-reference.com — has game logs for individual players dating back through 1960. For the purposes of this analysis, let's just assume nobody was playing fantasy football before 1960.4 The website also tracks the fantasy football points generated by each offensive player from those game logs. The figures don't include fumbles, but Charles didn't fumble on Sunday, so that won't matter in comparing him with the greats from the past. I want to compare Charles's performance to other great playoff performances from the past, but just about every league I've ever seen has different playoff rules, so let's keep things simple and just consider performances that occurred between Week 14 and Week 16.

As it turns out, Charles's game against the Raiders on Sunday was the third-best performance during the fantasy football playoffs over the past 53 years. He came in one-tenth of a point behind a Corey Dillon game from 1997. The record belongs to Clinton Portis, who generated 55.4 fantasy points during a 2003 Broncos game that saw him score five touchdowns while producing 254 yards from scrimmage. Three of the top 10 performances in fantasy playoff history came from running backs under Mike Shanahan in Denver, which should be part of Shanahan's Hall of Fame argument someday. Charles is the first guy over 40 points in a fantasy playoff game since Jerome Harrison's 286-yard game against the Chiefs in 2009.

Charles was pretty good in Week 14, too: He produced 27.8 fantasy points with two touchdowns and 158 yards from scrimmage in the blowout win over Washington. The Colts and their 25th-ranked run defense loom in Week 16. With 79.3 fantasy points under his belt through the first two weeks of the playoffs, could Charles be on pace to be the most valuable player in fantasy football playoff history?

Absolutely. The best three-week performance from Week 14 to Week 16 since 1960 belongs to Charles's predecessor as the Kansas City starting halfback. Larry Johnson produced 95.4 fantasy points over that three-week stretch during the 2005 season, accruing a total of 441 rushing yards, 93 receiving yards, and seven touchdowns. For fun, he threw in a 222-yard, three-touchdown performance in Week 17 for leagues that abhor the light.

Charles already has the third-best performance in fantasy playoff history. To top Johnson's 2005 and set a new playoff record, Charles will need to generate 16.2 fantasy points. A touchdown and more than 100 yards from scrimmage would get the job done.

Back here in real football, though, the Chiefs need to seriously start thinking about how they want to manage Charles's workload heading into the playoffs. As amazing as his performance on Sunday was, the Chiefs were right to keep him out toward the end of the game to get backup Knile Davis touches while attempting to keep Charles fresh for the playoffs. He'll obviously suit up next week, but if the Chiefs lose to the Colts and get locked into the fifth seed in the AFC with a Broncos win, Andy Reid should absolutely bench his star halfback in Week 17 in what would be a meaningless game (for the Chiefs, at least) at San Diego. Charles is more essential to his offense, arguably, than any other non-quarterback in football; it's impossible to imagine the Chiefs going far in the playoffs without him around, so it will be critical for Kansas City to get him as fresh as possible. The Chiefs would like to see the Charles who won so many fantasy football playoff games yesterday help them win an NFL playoff game or two this season.

12-18-2013, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOB

Saw this on Grantland yesterday. It's by Bill Barnwell article who usually writes about real football but decided to try and describe JC's gretness using fantasy football stats. Pretty great:

Charles in Charge

Stopped right there.

I love clever shit. Not clever.

Also, Charles will never win MVP with King driving the boat. He's probably OPOTY. I don't even care about individual awards.

Coach · 12-18-2013, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Stopped right there.

I love clever shit. Not clever.

Also, Charles will never win MVP with King driving the boat. He's probably OPOTY. I don't even care about individual awards.

The only award I'd like for the Chiefs franchise/players/fans, including me, is to witness is two of them.

1. Lamar Hunt Trophy.
2. Lombardi Trophy.

That's it.

12-17-2013, 05:15 PM
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2024734	Peter King Pimping Charles for MVP Not often King pimps the Chiefs (save any Pioli slobbering). Hope he didn't just curse Charles Link Now Entering the MVP Race: Jamaal Charles The MVP debate lost one borderline candidate Monday night. Calvin Johnson was going to have a tough road, as any wide receiver always would, but his three drops—two of them at crucial times—in a loss that could keep the Lions from making the playoffs will knock out whatever chance he had in what has been a great season. But the debate did gain one entrant in Week 15: Kansas City running back Jamaal Charles. His five-touchdown performance in the Chiefs’ win at Oakland Sunday (and seven in the last two weeks, for a league-high 18 on the season) is notable not just because of the sheer luminosity of it. It’s the totality of the offensive renaissance in Kansas City. For the first half of the season, the Chiefs survived on defense and whatever Charles’ legs could provide on offense. In the last four games K.C. has averaged 42 points a game—42 points total would have been a month’s work back in October—and this has been Charles’ eye-popping output: Attempts Yards Average TDs Rushing 60 378 6.3 5 Receiving 16 272 17.0 5 Total 76 650 8.6 10 When a guy is averaging 8.6 yards per touch, maybe he should be getting the ball more than 19 times a game. But whatever Andy Reid is calling in the last month is working, and much of it is centered around Charles. If the Chiefs win out and finish 13-3, and the pacesetters—Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton—struggle a bit in the last two weeks, Charles could become a dark-horse candidate for either the MVP or Offensive Player of the Year. “I’m not in the race,” Charles told me after the 56-31 rout of the Raiders. “That’s not for me to decide if I deserve something like that. I deserve to work hard and get ready to play the best football I can. After that, it’s not up to me.” But … “I do think about it,” he said. “But then I think about what I can control.” What Reid has brought to the Chiefs, other than a calming influence after a raging storm in the last couple of seasons in Kansas City, is some new ideas to the offense. One is how to use Charles. Example: Saturday night in the hotel in California, Reid shared the first 15 plays with the offensive team, as he does every week. And the first play was a screen to Charles, a play the Chiefs thought would be great to run early to take advantage of the Raiders’ overaggressiveness and their wont to pursue plays too fast on screens. “I looked on the paper and saw that,” said Charles, “and I focused on it all night. I could see it happening, and I knew it would be a good play to run for us. It turned out to be wide open.” The 49-yard screen on the first play from scrimmage was one of four touchdown catches for Charles on the day, and for the year he’s been the best receiver out of the backfield in the league, by far: 65 catches, 655 yards, 11 touchdowns. Now it’s going to be up to the 50 voters who make the picks for post-season awards for the Associated Press. (I am one of them.) Charles’s play down the stretch, and how he’s enlivened an offense that needed it, could thrust him into a race no one saw him in a month ago.
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SeeingRed Veteran Join Date: May 2013 Casino cash: $10011193	ok so given those numbers Charles should end up at around 2100 yards from scrimmage and 21 TDs....those ARE MVP worthy numbers only problem is he is up against a guy who is on pace to end up with close to 5500 passing yards and 54 TDs. Cam Newton isnt in the conversation in my eyes.........its Manning or Charles. Manning is MVP unless something like this past week happens again this week (where JC gets 5 TDs and 200+ yards from scrimmage) then it gets interesting. But Mannings stats have never been done before __________________ "Pressure Busts Pipes"
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SeeingRed Veteran Join Date: May 2013 Casino cash: $10011193	Peterson won MVP last year with 2314 yards from scrimmage and 13 TDs....so saying JC shouldnt be in the discussion is absurd. I dont see anybody else besides him and Manning being in the conversation however __________________ "Pressure Busts Pipes"
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GOB Banned Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10004900	Saw this on Grantland yesterday. It's by Bill Barnwell article who usually writes about real football but decided to try and describe JC's gretness using fantasy football stats. Pretty great: Charles in Charge It's good that you probably weren't watching the Chiefs-Raiders game Sunday afternoon, because the things that Jamaal Charles was doing to the Raiders shouldn't have been broadcast on television before the safe harbor. With the Oakland defense either unaware that running backs can catch passes or uninterested in learning from its mistakes, Charles caught a bevy of screens and swing passes amid a truly monstrous day. While Charles only ran for 20 yards on eight carries — by far his lowest rushing output of the season — his eight catches yielded a whopping 195 yards, tying him with DeSean Jackson as the day's leading receiver. In all, Charles finished with five touchdowns, four of which came through the air. In a traditional scoring system, Charles produced 51.5 fantasy points. Of course, fantasy points are even more meaningful these days. Charles's huge day came in Week 15, which is right smack-dab in the middle of just about every fantasy football league's playoffs. I suppose there are some people who had Charles in their lineup this week and lost, but I'm guessing that the 50-spot Charles posted won a lot of people a lot of playoff games and a whole lot of money. Given the high stakes, was it the most clutch fantasy football performance … ever? Football crack — also known as pro-football-reference.com — has game logs for individual players dating back through 1960. For the purposes of this analysis, let's just assume nobody was playing fantasy football before 1960.4 The website also tracks the fantasy football points generated by each offensive player from those game logs. The figures don't include fumbles, but Charles didn't fumble on Sunday, so that won't matter in comparing him with the greats from the past. I want to compare Charles's performance to other great playoff performances from the past, but just about every league I've ever seen has different playoff rules, so let's keep things simple and just consider performances that occurred between Week 14 and Week 16. As it turns out, Charles's game against the Raiders on Sunday was the third-best performance during the fantasy football playoffs over the past 53 years. He came in one-tenth of a point behind a Corey Dillon game from 1997. The record belongs to Clinton Portis, who generated 55.4 fantasy points during a 2003 Broncos game that saw him score five touchdowns while producing 254 yards from scrimmage. Three of the top 10 performances in fantasy playoff history came from running backs under Mike Shanahan in Denver, which should be part of Shanahan's Hall of Fame argument someday. Charles is the first guy over 40 points in a fantasy playoff game since Jerome Harrison's 286-yard game against the Chiefs in 2009. Charles was pretty good in Week 14, too: He produced 27.8 fantasy points with two touchdowns and 158 yards from scrimmage in the blowout win over Washington. The Colts and their 25th-ranked run defense loom in Week 16. With 79.3 fantasy points under his belt through the first two weeks of the playoffs, could Charles be on pace to be the most valuable player in fantasy football playoff history? Absolutely. The best three-week performance from Week 14 to Week 16 since 1960 belongs to Charles's predecessor as the Kansas City starting halfback. Larry Johnson produced 95.4 fantasy points over that three-week stretch during the 2005 season, accruing a total of 441 rushing yards, 93 receiving yards, and seven touchdowns. For fun, he threw in a 222-yard, three-touchdown performance in Week 17 for leagues that abhor the light. Charles already has the third-best performance in fantasy playoff history. To top Johnson's 2005 and set a new playoff record, Charles will need to generate 16.2 fantasy points. A touchdown and more than 100 yards from scrimmage would get the job done. Back here in real football, though, the Chiefs need to seriously start thinking about how they want to manage Charles's workload heading into the playoffs. As amazing as his performance on Sunday was, the Chiefs were right to keep him out toward the end of the game to get backup Knile Davis touches while attempting to keep Charles fresh for the playoffs. He'll obviously suit up next week, but if the Chiefs lose to the Colts and get locked into the fifth seed in the AFC with a Broncos win, Andy Reid should absolutely bench his star halfback in Week 17 in what would be a meaningless game (for the Chiefs, at least) at San Diego. Charles is more essential to his offense, arguably, than any other non-quarterback in football; it's impossible to imagine the Chiefs going far in the playoffs without him around, so it will be critical for Kansas City to get him as fresh as possible. The Chiefs would like to see the Charles who won so many fantasy football playoff games yesterday help them win an NFL playoff game or two this season.
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