Let's have a conversation about the job John Dorsey has done thus far.

[BossChief]

In his first year, he drafted a bunch of guys that got hurt and showed nothing as rookies, but luckily he didn't need them because a bunch of guys stepped up. 3 of those players have been quite good in year 2...so far anyway.

Fisher
Davis
Kelce

All 3 have the ability to be good starters and that's an above average draft class if we are being objective.

Commings
Kush
Johnson
Catapano

These guys are all wild cards that can really tip the strength of the overall draft class. I think Kush has the ability to be a solid starter, myself. Who knows about Catapano.

Giving up so much for Alex Smith, but I'll reserve judgement until I see how he performs this year. If he plays well, I think the compensation was decent and also strengthens the overall draft class.

As it sits right now, I have a hard time grading the 2013 draft class lower than a solid B...with a chance to be a B+ or A- as the year goes on and more info is available.

Everybody was thrilled with free agency last year, but the contracts given to these guys were just silly. Especially to Colquitt, Daniel and Fasano. Those contracts are gonna prohibit us from locking up Berry or Houston long term. Watch. We all knew KC would need to overpay to bring free agents in to a bad team in an undesirable market...that's what happened.

The deal for Devito was ok (can't count the Achilles against the signing) but overall free agency can't get graded higher than a D+\C-. Maybe lower.

I don't think it would be fair to judge the 2014 draft class in any way with us only 2 games in, so I won't even touch on it.

Moving on to the 2014 free agent class...

Letting 3 starting quality offensive linemen walk is a tough pill to swallow...especially when the OL looks (early on at least) to be a real weakness on the team. Simply unacceptable. It sucks that we didn't target guys like TJ Ward or got things finalized with Sanders cause those would have helped us BIG TIME. And for similar money we gave to guys like Daniel and Fasano. Very frustrating. Replacing Tyson Jackson with Walker seems like an upgrade and signing Vickerson was solid as well. No way should they have paid Dexter what he got in Tennessee, so that one worked out as well. Letting Demps and Lewis walk were also solid decisions. I think I'd be hard pressed to grade this free agency period higher than a C- and if it weren't for signing Vickerson, it would be a D...at best.

IMO we missed a huge opportunity to upgrade the team here. Hopefully the reasons they have for why they did this are making sure to retain Houston and Berry long termZ if we don't, I want his head on a pike for losing either guy.

Discuss

[L.A. Chieffan]

Fisher has been fine

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by TEX

And he can also say that I was a complete dick and everyone hated me. and that he was running the franchise into the ground.

He'd be right there also.

Wont be long til every one hates Dorsey too.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Dee Ford was a future pick and could be a beast. DAT will be great once hes on the field, bank it

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Dorsey's job is to "get the players that the coaches want".

I'd say our coaches are the issue.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Fisher has been fine

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Dee Ford was a future pick and could be a beast. DAT will be great once hes on the field, bank it

WRITE THAT DOWN!/Fece

[el borracho]

Dorsey has done a nice job on the complementary pieces, but his biggest decisions have largely been disasters.
the trade for Alex
Alex's contract extension
Fisher at 1.1
Charles' contract extension

[Dunerdr]

We need a free agency guy then Dorsey to draft

[Hammock Parties]

Fisher has not been good. Not even average. Stop these lies.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Fisher has not been good. Not even average. Stop these lies.

This. I have a running argument with one of my best friends about this. He insists that Fisher has been adequate and improving to being good.

[L.A. Chieffan]

I'm watching the Game Rewind right now, Fisher looks really good first half. Almost all pass rush is coming from the right side and all of Davis's big runs are coming on the left including the TD.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The Fisher Queen:

http://www.foxsports.com/kansas-city...-little-091514

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The eyes said Eric Fisher won. Or at least, that the big lug won more than he lost.

The stats say it, too: Denver's DeMarcus Ware on Sunday was officially credited with a solo tackle, an assist, two quarterback hits and no sacks.

Mind you, he also threw Fisher around a bit in the last three minutes, racking up a strip-sack on Alex Smith that would've effectively ended the game with 1:54 to go at the Broncos' 37. Ultimately, the call was overturned -- ruled a forward pass and an incompletion on Smith's part -- and the parade moved on.
ProFootballFocus.com, though, did not.

On a slow-clap, nice-effort, non-Victory Monday on the Plains in which the Chiefs' offensive line was more or less praised for functioning as a cohesive unit after a week of playing the role of human turnstiles against Tennessee, PFF's verdicts were comparatively scathing. Center Rodney Hudson: +0.6. New right tackle Ryan Harris: -1.9. New left guard Mike McGlynn: -2.2. And Big Fish: -4.9 -- the lowest overall grade on the squad that day for any player, regardless of snaps -- and a -3.1 mark on pass protection.

"I thought he did a nice job," coach Andy Reid said Monday afternoon when asked about Fisher, his second-year left tackle.

"He'll be able to go back against a top-notch pass rusher in pass-rush situations, go back and analyze his performance and see where he can even do a better job there. But again, you're talking about one of the best pass rushers in this league (in Ware). So I thought he did a nice job. You didn't worry much about the left side there."

So somebody's full of it, which is fine. PFF doesn't claim to be the gospel or the final word; it's a tool, and a damn good one at that, at least for the layman. It's also either the best thing or the worst thing that ever happened to NFL linemen on both sides of the ball, depending on your perspective, because those are usually the numbers we're checking first. The mainstream stats for skill players don't always tell the whole story, but they sketch out a reasonable profile. There are no "sketch" stats for individual offensive linemen in the box score. Unit stats -- rushing success, sacks allowed, penalties -- yes, but individual numbers, no.

Chiefs lacked some key players in Denver -- at least they had a pulse
We bring this up because it's now Miami Week. That means Cairo Santos Week, if you prefer to spin forward, or Branden Albert Week, if you want to look back.

Albert was the Chiefs' left tackle from 2008-13, and he developed into a solid, if unspectacular option on the blind side, especially when it came to pass protection. B.A. also came off as a moderately unhappy camper here in the fall of 2012 and a fairly unhappy one -- indeed, one who often avoided the press in general -- in 2013 after he'd gotten slapped with the franchise tag the spring before.

And, looking back, you can sort of grasp his beef. Nor did it help matters that general manager John Dorsey confirmed trade offers for Albert that never got consummated -- the Dolphins were reportedly the top suitors -- and then went out and explicitly drafted the left tackle's replacement with the No. 1 overall pick, a selection that turned out to be Fisher.

It was a little awkward, but the Chiefs came out like gangbusters last fall, and old wounds, at least on the surface, got buried. Or tabled. Or something.
But business is business, and Albert, 29, walked out the door at the first available opportunity, inking a five-year deal that included $25 million in guaranteed dollars with Miami in March. Fisher moved from a right-tackle-in-training to his preferred left tackle slot, and out came the sunshine and rainbows.


Sunshine, rainbows and surgeries.

"Like you said, (it's) a comfortable feeling," Fisher said last week when asked about returning to the blind side, "and I'm happy to be back over there."

Happy, maybe. Healthy, probably not.

Offseason work to fix a bum shoulder and a sports hernia made it look as if the 6-foot-7 tackle spent August trying to fend off pass-rushers with only one good arm. Rest and time have improved things somewhat, and the Broncos tilt even felt like something of a corner turned. That is, until you saw this from PFF on Monday:

Fisher, Year 2 (2014), after two games: -7.4 overall, -5.4 on pass protection.
Albert, Year 2 (2009), after two games: -0.5 overall, -0.7 on pass protection.

Or this:

Albert, with the Dolphins, after two games: +8.1 overall, +4.2 on pass protection.

Oy vey.

"Is there room to improve? Absolutely," Reid said of his line. "And I'll tell you that about all of us -- we've got a ton of room to improve. They're playing a little bit better as a unit, and that's important at that position. I think every game they have an opportunity to play together, they'll improve in that area."
Fisher will, too, you'd think. At least, you'd hope.
Because whether he likes it or not, No. 72 is chained to Dorsey every bit as much as the Smith trade and the Smith extension, the kind of thing that will either accelerate the rebuilding process or sink it entirely. Consider: In the winter/spring of '13, some 19 months ago, Dorsey had to hit the ground running and found himself faced with two potentially big free agents on the table in wideout Dwayne Bowe and Albert.
Dorsey gave Bowe a five-year contract. Albert got tagged.

Ask 10 Chiefs fans which way they'd go if faced with that same choice now, and 11 out of 10 would've run the complete opposite direction. Hindsight may make geniuses of us all, but that doesn't make the now any less painfu

[Hammock Parties]

That's hilarious considering how bad Albert was in 2009.

[RealSNR]

Fisher doesn't suck as much as a tackle as Zach Fulton sucks at guard.

Trying to be nice

[Discuss Thrower]

How many of the following will be starting the Chiefs in 2016?

Fisher
Davis
Kelce
Nico Johnson
Sanders Commings
Eric Kush
Mike Catapano

[Mr. Laz]

He's going to live or die with the draft picks because he didn't do much of anything else


Draft and dumpster dive just like a good player personnel guys should do