Kruger cut by Browns.

[Dunerdr]

For teams looking at a complementary veteran this offseason, look no further than the open marketplace in Cleveland. The Browns have already let go of safety Donte Whitner and linebacker Karlos Dansby and traded Barkevious Mingo.

And on Monday morning, they added another big name to that list: rush linebacker Paul Kruger.

Bring him in for a look?

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Right now we're all in on halis body holding up and fords testicles dropping... I'd take anyone with experience on the cheap.

This.

[chiefzilla1501]

Here's a great article on Kruger. And why I think it's worth taking a flyer on him. We might get a steal out of it.

http://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/08/29...b-paul-kruger/
Cliff notes:
-He didn't do well in Horton's system. With Horton re-hired, maybe Horton knows he's not right for his system
-Kruger had an awesome season 2 years ago. Then struggled last year. It looks like his struggles coincided with Jim O'Neil taking over playcalling, and he was a complete disaster of a DC
-Not stated in the article, but he's played in a Ryan defense much of his career. Including under Mike Pettine.

I actually think KC could get him for pretty cheap. What other teams run the Ryan defense other than Baltimore, Buffalo and KC?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Right now we're all in on halis body holding up and fords testicles dropping... I'd take anyone with experience on the cheap.

This needs repeating.

If Hali's body finally goes and if Ford never grows a set we are in big trouble.

both players are needled badly unless we add someone


especially since the coaches don't seem to think that Dadi can get ready this year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why do the Chiefs need $4.4 million in cap space if they're trying to win a Super Bowl?

Because they'll need to pay it to Streater in the off-season if he hits his incentives.

Any move needs to be dollar in/dollar out. They absolutely need to maintain that cushion unless they cut Streater. They can't end up going in the hole with the tough cap questions they're going to face in 17.

I'm all for finding a way to make it work, but they can't pay this one on the credit card.

[Easy 6]

11 sacks in 2014, followed by a down year under a shitty DC

Oh yeah, if Dorsey can make the numbers work we'd be fools not to grab this guy

[Meatloaf]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because they'll need to pay it to Streater in the off-season if he hits his incentives.

Any move needs to be dollar in/dollar out. They absolutely need to maintain that cushion unless they cut Streater. They can't end up going in the hole with the tough cap questions they're going to face in 17.

I'm all for finding a way to make it work, but they can't pay this one on the credit card.

So what the heck has happened to Streater? Looked pretty good early on, now can't find him on the field. Is it a given that he's on the club, or has he had setbacks in practice?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because they'll need to pay it to Streater in the off-season if he hits his incentives.

Any move needs to be dollar in/dollar out. They absolutely need to maintain that cushion unless they cut Streater. They can't end up going in the hole with the tough cap questions they're going to face in 17.

I'm all for finding a way to make it work, but they can't pay this one on the credit card.

The Chiefs have plenty of flexibility. It's all a matter of when they make the bold decisions in the positions they're deep at. Most obvious is giving Berry a long-term backloaded deal. But you can also move guys like Allen Bailey. In this case, I think it may be worth it. This team needs good OLBs and for 2 years straight, they can't keep their guys healthy in big game. If you structure the contract the right way, you can keep Kruger until you know for sure what you have in Dee Ford and/or Dadi Nicolas. If Kruger is even an upgrade over Ford, which right now isn't saying much, then that's more valuable to us than a guy like Bailey who plays well at a position where we're tremendously deep. We may not even need to do that. I think Kruger will take a discount to play in a system where he can thrive, and KC is one of the few that guarantees him that.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because they'll need to pay it to Streater in the off-season if he hits his incentives.

Any move needs to be dollar in/dollar out. They absolutely need to maintain that cushion unless they cut Streater. They can't end up going in the hole with the tough cap questions they're going to face in 17.

I'm all for finding a way to make it work, but they can't pay this one on the credit card.

At this point in time, I wonder if Streater even makes the squad, as he's been invisible since Week 1.

Either they're "hiding" him or he's a goner. It's really odd.

But if it's between Streater and a pass rusher, I'm all over the the pass rusher.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But you can also move guys like Allen Bailey.

The Chiefs aren't moving Allen Bailey. Are you high?

That's $5 million in dead money.

[mcaj22]

Paul Kruger's sack totals are a little deceiving. I thought he was more of a swiss army knife and not a full time rushbacker?

He wasn't playing rushbacker in Cleveland he was playing the Mike Vrabel role, because he can stop the run and drop back into pass coverage if needed. Which is literally the position everyone is bitching about Ford looking completely inept at.

I think something happened last season that Kruger was playing a position or scheme he wasn't comfortable with. But he's not going to get you a lot of sacks. I think he's known for sealing the edge, helping stuff the run and then dropping back into the flats or zone to cover a pass if needed (Ford can't do any of this). That's what got him his contract anyway. (his pass deflections up until last year are on par with Justin Houstons, that's why I think it could be a nice scheme fit)

Kruger is basically a poor mans Vrabel. Does this team need a guy like that? I'd argue yes, that way you can use Dee Ford to rotate with Hali strictly rushing from one side.

[R Clark]

Geting rid of Bailey would be a dumb move,he's pretty good and not that pricey.Kurger sounds like just what we need if the price is right

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

If that's the case I'd get him 3x for vet minimum just put out out against the run. At this point and an aging Hali and a barely useful ford it's a nice plan b.

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Right now we're all in on halis body holding up and fords testicles dropping... I'd take anyone with experience on the cheap.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Here's a great article on Kruger. And why I think it's worth taking a flyer on him. We might get a steal out of it.

http://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/08/29...b-paul-kruger/
Cliff notes:
-He didn't do well in Horton's system. With Horton re-hired, maybe Horton knows he's not right for his system
-Kruger had an awesome season 2 years ago. Then struggled last year. It looks like his struggles coincided with Jim O'Neil taking over playcalling, and he was a complete disaster of a DC
-Not stated in the article, but he's played in a Ryan defense much of his career. Including under Mike Pettine.

I actually think KC could get him for pretty cheap. What other teams run the Ryan defense other than Baltimore, Buffalo and KC?

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

This needs repeating.

If Hali's body finally goes and if Ford never grows a set we are in big trouble.

both players are needled badly unless we add someone


especially since the coaches don't seem to think that Dadi can get ready this year.

Originally Posted by Easy 6

11 sacks in 2014, followed by a down year under a shitty DC

Oh yeah, if Dorsey can make the numbers work we'd be fools not to grab this guy

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The Chiefs have plenty of flexibility. It's all a matter of when they make the bold decisions in the positions they're deep at. Most obvious is giving Berry a long-term backloaded deal. But you can also move guys like Allen Bailey. In this case, I think it may be worth it. This team needs good OLBs and for 2 years straight, they can't keep their guys healthy in big game. If you structure the contract the right way, you can keep Kruger until you know for sure what you have in Dee Ford and/or Dadi Nicolas. If Kruger is even an upgrade over Ford, which right now isn't saying much, then that's more valuable to us than a guy like Bailey who plays well at a position where we're tremendously deep. We may not even need to do that. I think Kruger will take a discount to play in a system where he can thrive, and KC is one of the few that guarantees him that.

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Paul Kruger's sack totals are a little deceiving. I thought he was more of a swiss army knife and not a full time rushbacker?

He wasn't playing rushbacker in Cleveland he was playing the Mike Vrabel role, because he can stop the run and drop back into pass coverage if needed. Which is literally the position everyone is bitching about Ford looking completely inept at.

I think something happened last season that Kruger was playing a position or scheme he wasn't comfortable with. But he's not going to get you a lot of sacks. I think he's known for sealing the edge, helping stuff the run and then dropping back into the flats or zone to cover a pass if needed (Ford can't do any of this). That's what got him his contract anyway. (his pass deflections up until last year are on par with Justin Houstons, that's why I think it could be a nice scheme fit)

Kruger is basically a poor mans Vrabel. Does this team need a guy like that? I'd argue yes, that way you can use Dee Ford to rotate with Hali strictly rushing from one side.

Originally Posted by R Clark

Geting rid of Bailey would be a dumb move,he's pretty good and not that pricey.Kurger sounds like just what we need if the price is right

[hometeam]

Cut Ford sign Kruger.

Or just sign Kruger.

Or just cut Ford.

Im down with any of the above.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by hometeam

Cut Ford sign Kruger.

Or just sign Kruger.

Or just cut Ford.

Im down with any of the above.

Dorsey's ego is at stake here and it is very difficult for GM's in general to just casually cut their pick in the 1st rd. He will give Dee every opportunity before eating crow.

I agree with you though. Ford has no instinct in this defense whatsoever. He looks a lot like Lucille Ball in that infamous candy factory scene getting overwhelmed very easily. Just looks lost the majority of the time.

[hometeam]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Dorsey's ego is at stake here and it is very difficult for GM's in general to just casually cut their pick in the 1st rd. He will give Dee every opportunity before eating crow.

I agree with you though. Ford has no instinct in this defense whatsoever.

Yea i know, I'm being a bit facetious even though I don't think it would hurt at all to cut him.

I would still be A-OK with getting Kruger in here.