Leaving 6 mil in Lamar's pockets instead of using it on the field

[BigRedChief]

The leaving 6 million under the cap is pissing me off more and more. I just can't let it go.

If Carl and DV didn't see anyone out there that they wanted to sign as it has been argued, why not restructure exsisting contracts to use the cap room now and have more money next year to spend?

There is only one conclusion from this....They were and are beng cheap.

And as a fan and season ticket holder to not try your best to put the best team out on the field is inexcusable and a slap in the face to the loyal fans...

this is pissing me off to no end.. Dammit Carl!

Thanks foe letting me vent. I feel much better now.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

My bad... missed that play.

or plays

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396164

I'll pretend you care.

[Mile High Mania]

Wow ... 20 carries. I must have tuned out during those "garbage periods". Ok ... f--- me, my smacketh fell flatteth on that one.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Wow ... 20 carries. I must have tuned out during those "garbage periods". Ok ... f--- me, my smacketh fell flatteth on that one.

Admitting is the first step to recovery.


MHM is okay in my book.

[shaneo69]

Are BigRedChief and BigChiefFan taking the same side on this "Lamar is cheap" topic, because if they're not, then I'm really gonna be confused.

[nmt1]

It's pretty simple guys. Give up your season tickets, stop buying Chiefs merchandise, stop watching the games on TV, oragnize yourselves and start a campaign to boycott everything Chiefs.

Out of curiosity, where does this number come from? If you say anything other than Carl Peterson, Denny Thum, or Dick Vermiel, I call BS.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by nmt1

It's pretty simple guys. Give up your season tickets, stop buying Chiefs merchandise, stop watching the games on TV, oragnize yourselves and start a campaign to boycott everything Chiefs.

Out of curiosity, where does this number come from? If you say anything other than Carl Peterson, Denny Thum, or Dick Vermiel, I call BS.

And certainly don't vote yes on Bi-State 2 -- even though that money will likely be used to build luxury boxes, giving the Chiefs additional money to invest in signing bonuses.

[nmt1]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And certainly don't vote yes on Bi-State 2 -- even though that money will likely be used to build luxury boxes, giving the Chiefs additional money to invest in signing bonuses.

We'd just waste our money on the wrong guys anyway.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by nmt1

It's pretty simple guys. Give up your season tickets, stop buying Chiefs merchandise, stop watching the games on TV, oragnize yourselves and start a campaign to boycott everything Chiefs.

Out of curiosity, where does this number come from? If you say anything other than Carl Peterson, Denny Thum, or Dick Vermiel, I call BS.

So in otherwords you can't be a fan of the Chiefs and not agree with everything they do? I didn't know being a lemming was a qualifying factor in being a fan.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

So in otherwords you can't be a fan of the Chiefs and not agree with everything they do? I didn't know being a lemming was a qualifying factor in being a fan.

No one said you had to stop being a fan...you're overreacting and now pot shots...I thought you didnt appreciate that tactic.

If you believe profit is the only thing this franchise understands, you can only affect their decision making if you do one simple thing...affect their profits.

Good Lord, why do people have to go off the deep end on this stuff.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by nmt1

It's pretty simple guys. Give up your season tickets, stop buying Chiefs merchandise, stop watching the games on TV, oragnize yourselves and start a campaign to boycott everything Chiefs.

Out of curiosity, where does this number come from? If you say anything other than Carl Peterson, Denny Thum, or Dick Vermiel, I call BS.

So those are the only qualifying people on Earth that can determine how much we have in cap space?. I call bull butter on that. Here's some numbers I found on our cap, but sorry I don't know Carl personally. Your approach makes it virtually impossible to dispute by design to back your case. There's other people around the league that know what they are talking about besides the allmighty King Carl.

For the sake of this installment, we have designated teams that are less than $5M under the cap in RED. These are teams that have little money to sign free agents and may need to make cuts or restructure salaries in order to sign all of their draft picks. Note that teams that show NEGATIVE cap space are ALREADY OVER the cap, and will have to make cuts before the March 3 deadline. Teams in BLACK, which are between $5M and $10M under the cap, are teams that look to be in pretty good shape in terms of adding more veterans and signing all of their rookies without having to take drastic measures. Teams in GREEN are teams that are well under the cap and should have plenty of room to sign free agents and rookies.

For 2004, we are estimating the Salary Cap to be approximately $80.5 M.

Keep in mind, many teams are making numerous transactions each day which have a bearing on the salary cap values. These figures are approximate as of February 27, 2004.


Projected 2004 NFL Salary Cap Space for Each Team

Rank Team $ Under the Cap
1 Philadelphia Eagles $24.5 M
2 Minnesota Vikings $20.9 M
3 Arizona Cardinals $18.7 M
4 Baltimore Ravens $17.75 M
5 Dallas Cowboys $17.3 M
6 Detroit Lions $14.75 M
7 New Orleans Saints $14 M
8 Chicago Bears $12.45 M
9 Houston Texans $12.25 M
10 Washington Redskins $11 M
11 Carolina Panthers $10.3 M
12 Cincinnati Bengals $9.95 M
13 Buffalo Bills $9.9 M
14 St. Louis Rams $8.8 M
15 Jacksonville Jaguars $7 M
16 San Diego Chargers $6.25 M
17 NY Giants $5.76 M
18 Atlanta Falcons $5.7 M
19 Kansas City Chiefs $5.6 M
20 Seattle Seahawks $5.3 M
21 Cleveland Browns $4.6 M
22 Pittsburgh Steelers $4.1 M
23 NY Jets $3.1 M
24 Oakland Raiders $1.18 M
25 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $-1000000
26 New England Patriots $-2 M
27 Green Bay Packers $-2.3 M
28 Miami Dolphins $-2.58 M
29 Denver Broncos $-5.9 M
30 San Francisco 49ers $-6.632 M
31 Indianapolis Colts $-11.05 M
32 Tennessee Titans $-13.5 M

[nmt1]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

So in otherwords you can't be a fan of the Chiefs and not agree with everything they do? I didn't know being a lemming was a qualifying factor in being a fan.

You can be a fan all you want but if you're going to accuse them of doing something, have some facts. You have no idea what's in Lamar's head or how much money we have under or over the cap or any of that stuff. I'll never pretend to know what's going on with the Chiefs solely by making assumptions or listening to the media.

[KCTitus]

A team cannot be 'over' the cap at any time or they are penalized...these projections are based on today's numbers of tomorrows contracts that have to be adjusted.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

So those are the only qualifying people on Earth that can determine how much we have in cap space?. I call bull butter on that. Here's some numbers I found on our cap, but sorry I don't know Carl personally. Your approach makes it virtually impossible to dispute by design to back your case. There's other people around the league that know what they are talking about besides the allmighty King Carl.

For the sake of this installment, we have designated teams that are less than $5M under the cap in RED. These are teams that have little money to sign free agents and may need to make cuts or restructure salaries in order to sign all of their draft picks. Note that teams that show NEGATIVE cap space are ALREADY OVER the cap, and will have to make cuts before the March 3 deadline. Teams in BLACK, which are between $5M and $10M under the cap, are teams that look to be in pretty good shape in terms of adding more veterans and signing all of their rookies without having to take drastic measures. Teams in GREEN are teams that are well under the cap and should have plenty of room to sign free agents and rookies.

For 2004, we are estimating the Salary Cap to be approximately $80.5 M.

Keep in mind, many teams are making numerous transactions each day which have a bearing on the salary cap values. These figures are approximate as of February 27, 2004.


Projected 2004 NFL Salary Cap Space for Each Team

Rank Team $ Under the Cap
1 Philadelphia Eagles $24.5 M
2 Minnesota Vikings $20.9 M
3 Arizona Cardinals $18.7 M
4 Baltimore Ravens $17.75 M
5 Dallas Cowboys $17.3 M
6 Detroit Lions $14.75 M
7 New Orleans Saints $14 M
8 Chicago Bears $12.45 M
9 Houston Texans $12.25 M
10 Washington Redskins $11 M
11 Carolina Panthers $10.3 M
12 Cincinnati Bengals $9.95 M
13 Buffalo Bills $9.9 M
14 St. Louis Rams $8.8 M
15 Jacksonville Jaguars $7 M
16 San Diego Chargers $6.25 M
17 NY Giants $5.76 M
18 Atlanta Falcons $5.7 M
19 Kansas City Chiefs $5.6 M
20 Seattle Seahawks $5.3 M
21 Cleveland Browns $4.6 M
22 Pittsburgh Steelers $4.1 M
23 NY Jets $3.1 M
24 Oakland Raiders $1.18 M
25 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $-1000000
26 New England Patriots $-2 M
27 Green Bay Packers $-2.3 M
28 Miami Dolphins $-2.58 M
29 Denver Broncos $-5.9 M
30 San Francisco 49ers $-6.632 M
31 Indianapolis Colts $-11.05 M
32 Tennessee Titans $-13.5 M

Those numbers are "approximate". It says right there that they are "projected".

Were you aware that John Clayton went through the ENTIRE season last year with some teams OVER the cap, despite that fact that it's IMPOSSIBLE?

These numbers are good benchmarks. It still doesn't mean we ARE $6M under the cap. They merely believe that we are...

[nmt1]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

So those are the only qualifying people on Earth that can determine how much we have in cap space?. I call bull butter on that. Here's some numbers I found on our cap, but sorry I don't know Carl personally. Your approach makes it virtually impossible to dispute by design to back your case. There's other people around the league that know what they are talking about besides the allmighty King Carl.

For the sake of this installment, we have designated teams that are less than $5M under the cap in RED. These are teams that have little money to sign free agents and may need to make cuts or restructure salaries in order to sign all of their draft picks. Note that teams that show NEGATIVE cap space are ALREADY OVER the cap, and will have to make cuts before the March 3 deadline. Teams in BLACK, which are between $5M and $10M under the cap, are teams that look to be in pretty good shape in terms of adding more veterans and signing all of their rookies without having to take drastic measures. Teams in GREEN are teams that are well under the cap and should have plenty of room to sign free agents and rookies.

For 2004, we are estimating the Salary Cap to be approximately $80.5 M.

Keep in mind, many teams are making numerous transactions each day which have a bearing on the salary cap values. These figures are approximate as of February 27, 2004.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. You can believe in seven month old approximations made by people who don't look at the Chiefs books if you want but I'm not going to. I guess until we both get a look at their books we'll never know.
I do know that I've heard Vermiel say we don't have the money to make any moves right now. Like I said in another thread, I'll believe that before I believe anything else.

PS: Don't know if you know this but htismaqe, KCTitus and I are all on the payroll.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

No one said you had to stop being a fan...you're overreacting and now pot shots...I thought you didnt appreciate that tactic.

If you believe profit is the only thing this franchise understands, you can only affect their decision making if you do one simple thing...affect their profits.

Good Lord, why do people have to go off the deep end on this stuff.

I never said that was the only factor. Now did I? I said making money was the motivating factor. Being competitive was secondary. Meaning they do strive to be competitive, but I don't believe they are fully committed to going all the way, hence the ample amount of cap room to sign more FAs. Sure they want to win it all, as long as it doesn't take going the extra mile. If they are fully committed to going all the way, then why the ample cap room they aren't spending?

You say I'm going off the deep end, but I get sick of the "your not a true fan if you don't follow blindly" mantra. I was trying to prove a point since I was attacked on my take. I didn't draw first blood. I think some think that you can't be a true fan if you get out of line and I call bullbutter.